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Stirlingshire / Re: HOGGAN
« on: Thursday 02 November 06 00:29 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, Dee,

Matthew Hay Hoggan and Elizabeth Paton, Matthew's first wife, had a daughter Elizabeth Hoggan b. 1851 who married William Gray b. 1849, a child of James Gray and and Margaret Noble Alexander (Matthew's second wife.)  Is that the connection you are looking for?
William Gray was also married to Elizabeth Straiton, and married Elizabeth Hoggan in 1880 in Denny.  Elizabeth Hoggan was firstly married to John Brown, Dec. 31, 1868, and then to William.  I don't have any children for William and Elizabeth Hoggan, but do have four children's names for his marriage to Elizabeth Straiton.

Rosemary Hoggan

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Lanarkshire / Re: 1861-1871 Census Look-up Please
« on: Tuesday 17 October 06 02:58 BST (UK)  »
Hi, again,

And there I thought Wyper would be an easier name to follow; didn't know there were two.

What I have is this:
Russell SNEDDON b. 1822 (no parents) Gardensquare, New Monkland, Lanark married to Elizabeth WYPER, OPR:  Aug. 1, 1847 New Monkland.

I have an Elizabeth SNEDDON death certificate, 1860, Oct 21 Old Monkland, no husband named, but says says "wife of a collier".  Parents:  David WYPER, deceased, Christina WYPER, maiden name unclear.  Inforamnt:  James GRAY, stepfather????, head Collierr  maybe...hard to read/

Children: 
Christina Oct. 16, 1848 New Monkland
Elizabeth Mar. 31, 1850, New Monkland
James May 5, 1853, New Monkland; married Margaret EASTON
Russell  Mar. 3, 1855, Falkirk
Jean Gray  Jan. 12, 1857, Old Monkland
Helen Anderson Jan. 12, 1859 Old Monkland
Elizabeth Wyper Oct. 10, 1860 Old Monkland

If I'm in error, please let me know.

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Lanarkshire / Re: 1861-1871 Census Look-up Please
« on: Sunday 15 October 06 10:31 BST (UK)  »
Hi, Mariac,

I have this family in my tree.  Russell Sneddon married Elisabeth Wiper/Wyper Aug. 1, 1847 New Monkland.  I have 7 children for them.  James Sneddon b. 1853 married Margaret Easton Nov. 2, 1874.  Margaret's parents were Matthew Easton and Margaret Campbell.  I have further information if it can be of some help to you

Rosemary

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Stirlingshire / Re: HOGGAN
« on: Monday 26 June 06 15:35 BST (UK)  »
Hi, Karen,

For children of William Hoggan and Morrison Brown, I have:

Agnes Simpson Hoggan b. 1892
Margaret Alexander Hoggan b. 1895
Morrison Hoggan b. 1897
Matthew Hoggan b. 1898
Thomas Brown Hoggan b. 1901
William Hoggan b. 1904

Does that match with what you have?

R.

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Stirlingshire / Re: HOGGAN
« on: Sunday 25 June 06 19:52 BST (UK)  »
Hi, Karen,
Many thank for the Gray information.  I've added it into tree.

I have an Alexander GRAY married to Margaret MORRISON in the tree.  Their son James GRAY married my cousin Margaret MANSON (parents:  John Manson and and Margaret Taylor HOGGAN.)

This is their marriage certificate:

1902 Marriages in the Parish of Campsie in the County of Stirling 1902, on the 20th day of June at Muckcroft Buildings, Lennoxtown, After Banns according to the Forms of the United Free Church of Scotland
Signed: James GRAY, mason (journeyman), bachelor, 19 of Muckcroft Building, Lennoxtown
Father: Alexander GRAY, road surfaceman
Mother: Margaret GRAY, MS MORRISON and
MAGGIE MURRAY MANSON, printfield worker, spinister, 18, of Muckcroft Building, Lennoxtown
Father: John MANSON, chemical work mechanic
Mother: Margaret MANSON, MS HOGGAN
Signed: George Lamb, officiating minister Witnesses: William Young, Katie Manson 1902, June 23, at Lennoxtown, M Baird, registrar

Is there a connection here?
Regards,
Rosemary

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West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) / Re: Hoggan Family - Linlithgow
« on: Sunday 18 June 06 07:07 BST (UK)  »
About HOGGAN, John*
SP Birth: Hoggan, John 1856, July 9th, Newfield?ke Father: Walter Hoggan, coal minter Mother: Margaret Hoggan, MS Wallace Walter Hoggan, father 1856, July 26th?? **************** 1880 Marriage in the Burgh of Airdrie in the County of Lanark 1880 on the 14th day of September at ???? Airfrie after publication according to the Forms of the Pres. Church of Scotland John Hoggan, coal miner, bachelor, age 24 of Slamanan Drumclair? Father: Walter Hoggan, coal miner, deceased Mother: Margaret Hoggan, MS Wallace and Hellen Grant, cotton mill worker, spinister, age 25 of ??? Father: John Grant, coal miner, deceased Mother Elizabeh Grant MS Brown ******************** 1883 Marriages in the Western District of Old Monkland in the County of Lanark 1883 on the 14th day of September at the Manse Baillieston After Banns according to the ? of the Church of Scotland John Hoggan, coal miner, widower, 26 of ? Baillieston, OldMonkland Father: Walter Hoggan Mother: Margaret Hoggan MS Wallace and Ellen McFadyan (her x mark), bleacher, widow, age 24 of Crosshill, Baillieston, Old Monkland Father: John Buchan, coal miner Mother: Elizabeth Buchan MS Wilson (deceased) Signed: Hugh Bamsay, Minister of Baillieston Witnesses: William Lafferty, Margaret Ramsay ************* 1925, Deaths in the Parish Muiravonside in the County of Stirling John HOggan, coal miner, retired 1925, August 4th 8 h. 50 m. PM, Cuasewayend, Muiravonside age 69 Father: Walter Hoggan, coal miner, deceased Mother: Margaret Hoggan MS Wallace, deceased gastro enteritis, heart failure, as certified by James C. Hamilton John Hoggan, son, Comely Park, Polomot, present 1925, Aug. 5th, Muiravonside, Peter Lawson, registrar ***************** Muiravonside Cemetery: In memory of JOHN HOGGAN died 25th August 1925 aged 72 years Also his wife HELEN BUCHAN died 14th September 1941 aged 83years Also their son THOMAS BONNAR HOGGAN died 8th March aged 86 years

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Stirlingshire / Re: HOGGAN
« on: Sunday 18 June 06 07:03 BST (UK)  »
Hi, Christine,

I'm curious why you think Robert Hoggan's father's name was Matthew?  If naming convention was followed, it would be Robert, assuming there are no unrecorded births prior to son Robert. Have you come across information about Matthew?
Rosemary

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Stirlingshire / Re: HOGGAN
« on: Saturday 17 June 06 17:48 BST (UK)  »
Margaret Alexander's death certificate:

1912 DEATHS in the Parish of Slamanan in the County of Stirlling
MARGARET HOGGAN
Widow of 1st James Gray, 2nd Matthew Hoggan
1912, January 15th 11h 0 m. PM, Burn Row female, age 84 years
Father: WILLIAM ALEXANDER, farm labourer, deceased
Mother: ELIZABETH ALEXANDER, MS TURNER, deceased,
COD: chronic bronchitis, hepatic conjestion, as certified by William Young, MBC?B
Informant:  Robert Gray, son, present Registered: 1912, January 15th at Slamannan Peter Gentleman, Asst. registrar

William Hoggan b. 1870 

1891, MARRIAGES in the Parish of Slamanan in the County of Stirling 1891 on the 30th day of December at Slamanan After Banns according to the Forms of the Free Church of Scotland
Signed: WILLIAM HOGGAN, coal miner, bachelor age 21 of Drumclair
Father; MATTHEW HOGGAN, coal miner, deceased
and
Signed: MORRISON BROWN, spinster, age 18 of Limerigg,
Father: THOMAS BROWN, coal miner
Mother: AGNES BROWN, MS SIMPSON Signed: Arch`d Reid, minister Witnesses: David Johnston, Agnes Brown
1891, December 31st at Slamanan, John Horne, registrar

***** 1913, DEATHS in the Parish of Slamanan in the County of Stirling WILLIAM HOGGAN, coal miner,
married to MORRISON BROWN
1913, August 12th 8 h. 30 m AM, Burn Row
male, age 43
Father: MATTHEW HOGGAN, coal miner, deceased Mother: MARGARET NOBLE HOGGAN, previously GRAY, MS ALEXANDER, deceased
COD: Cardiac disease, cariac dropsy, as certified by J. Campbell MB ChB Informant: William Morgan, brother-in-law, present
1913, August 12th at Slamannan, Peter Gentleman, asst. registrar

Agnes Hoggan b. 1874

1892, MARRIAGES in the Parish of Slamanan in the County of Stirling
1892, on the 6th day of April at Drumclair
After Banns According to the Forms of the ? Methodist Church
Signed: DAVID JOHNSTONE, coal miner, bachelor, 21, Limerigg
Father: MITCHELL JOHNSTONE, coal miner
Mother: JANET JOHNSTONE, MS McCARTNEY
Signed: Agnes Hoggon, spinster 18 of Drumclair
Father: MATTHEW HOGGAN, coal miner, deceased
Mother: MARGARET HOGGAN, MS ALEXANDER
Signed: Fred Inwood Witnesses: James Johnstone, Maggie Gray
1892, Apr. 9th at Slamanan, John Horne, reg.


1932, DEATHS in the District of Slamannan in the County of Stirling
AGNES JOHNSTONE married to DAVID JOHNSTONE, coal miner
1932, January 7th 4 h. 0 m. PM, Rosebank Cottage, Burn Row
58 years
Father: MATTHEW HOGGAN, coal miner, deceased
Mother: MARGARET NOBLE HOGGAN, previously GRAY MS ALEXANDER,deceased
COD:  Chronic myocarditis 18 months as certified by J. W. Arthur, MB Ch. B Informant: David Johnstone, widower, present
1932, January 8th at Slamannan, Elizabeth Gentles asst. registrar

I'd like to include Margaret and James Gray's children in my tree if you would be kind enough to share.  I'm not following the Alexander line, but am learning that family married family, and who knows where else down the line there would be connections.

Regards,
Rosemary

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Stirlingshire / Re: HOGGAN
« on: Saturday 17 June 06 08:25 BST (UK)  »
Hi, Voodoo,
....and Anne!
I have about $3000 worth, thank you SP, of information for you, if you are talking about Matthew Hay Hoggan b. May 24, 1819 Haggs, Stirling married to Margaret Noble Alexander.  Her parents were:  William Alexander and Elizabeth Turner.  Margaret was firstly married to James Gray.  I've found two children for them:  Robert and Margaret.
With Matthew Hoggan she had William Hoggan who married Morrison Brown, and Agnes Hoggan who married David Johnstone.  Feel free to contact me at (*)

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