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Family History Beginners Board / Re: UK Military Records 1770 to 1800???
« on: Saturday 31 March 18 22:21 BST (UK)  »
Thanks very much for the links... I have had a quick look through the search indexes and no luck so far....  I see it says the navy didn't keep records for ordinary sailors at this time so that is a disappointment. I will keep looking. Thanks again.


These might help
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/british-army-soldiers-up-to-1913/
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/royal-navy-ratings-before-1853/

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: UK Military Records 1770 to 1800???
« on: Saturday 31 March 18 19:36 BST (UK)  »
Very interesting, no I hadn't considered that. I will give it some thought. Thank you.

Have you considered a second marriage to a woman with the same name. It won't be the first time that's happened.

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Family History Beginners Board / UK Military Records 1770 to 1800???
« on: Friday 30 March 18 10:47 BST (UK)  »
Hello everyone. I am not sure if this question is in the right section here so apologies if it is not.

I have come across a bit of a puzzle in my family history research; my ancestors were all very ordinary, very poor folk so apart from parish, census and BMD records there is very little information available on them. Most of my ancestors had children every year or every few years but in the case of my 5x great grandparents there are some strange gaps in the births of their children. Here are the details:

My 5 x great grandfather was Michael GRIFFITHS... as best I can tell he was probably born about 1741 in Mitchel Troy, near Monmouth, Wales. He married Elizabeth BROWN in Gloucester in 1768 and the family continued living in Gloucester from that point on, although I have been unable to identify a burial for Michael (bn 1741.. died ?). Their parish marriage record shows them as 'full age' and 'of this parish'.

In 1769 they had a daughter, Elizabeth, who became my 4 x great grandmother. In 1781 they had a son, Michael, who died in infancy, and in 1786 they had a daughter, Susannah, who also died in infancy.

That's a 12 year gap between their first child and their second, and a further 5 year gap between their second and third child.

I have trawled through all the various parish records and neighbouring parishes and can find no other children at all.

I was wondering whether Michael Griffiths (bn 1741) may have been serving in the army or navy during this period, which may account for the strange gaps in between the birth of his children?

Unfortunately I can't find any military records online or locally that answers my question.

Do any of you have any suggestions as to how I can further my research?

Thanks,

Bryan Griffiths.


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Monmouthshire / Re: Griffiths - Mitchel Troy - 18th Century
« on: Monday 16 November 15 14:51 GMT (UK)  »
I did a quick online search yesterday but couldn't find any other children of Michael Griffiths and Elizabeth, in Monmouth or elsewhere. I guess we will just have to wait and see if any new information comes up; when I get a chance I will try to go back to the Gloucester Record Office for one final check there but it seems we will have to resign ourselves to the fact that the late 18th Century record keeping was simply not that good for the general population. 

Bryan Griffiths.

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Monmouthshire / Re: Griffiths - Mitchel Troy - 18th Century
« on: Sunday 15 November 15 22:00 GMT (UK)  »
Hello All......  I have had a couple of thoughts this afternoon regarding Michael Griffiths; firstly MY Michael Griffiths had three children in Gloucester, Elizabeth (named after his wife), Michael (named after himself), and Susannah (named after? There are no Susannahs in the family unless she is named after Michael's mother, Hannah????)   so, point number 1 is this; was Hannah Coley known as Susannah at some point?     

My second thought is this; my main reason for thinking that Michael was away from Gloucester a lot is the unusual gaps in the birth dates of the children born in Gloucester but I suddenly realised I may have been wrong to make that assumption, because this is the late 1700's there are no census records to confirm the numbers of children it is entirely possible that Michael AND his wife Elizabeth AND their children were all away together and they could have had other children - I only ever checked the Gloucester parish records, I never checked Monmouth records to see if they had children together there in the 'missing' years away from Gloucester.....   this could explain Michaels burial in Monmouth after which perhaps Elizabeth and the children moved back to Gloucester.....   so point number 2 is this: are there any children in the Monmouth parish records born to Michael Griffiths and Elizabeth between 1768 and 1801?   

Any thoughts anyone?

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Monmouthshire / Re: Griffiths - Mitchel Troy - 18th Century
« on: Sunday 08 February 15 17:23 GMT (UK)  »
yep... not sure what I have that I can email....   my Griffiths line has stayed in Gloucester from 1769 to the late 1800's when an early death forced the surviving family to move in with relatives in Selsley, near Kings Stanley, Glos, where our branch remained.  Here is a quick summary:

1) - Michael Griffiths (-) 1768 married Elizabeth Brown (believed 1743 Minsterworth - 1814 Glos)
2) - Elizabeth Griffiths (1769 Glos - 1814 Glos) - no marriage.
3) - James Griffiths (no father recorded) (1792 Glos - 1845 Glos) 1815 married Lucy Baker (1796 Bath - abt 1869 Glos)
4) - William James Griffiths (1815 Glos - 1882 Glos) 1843 married Mary Pockett (1815 Churchdown - abt 1889 Glos)
5) - Thomas James Griffiths (1844 Glos - 1881 Glos) 1873 married Mary Hall (1851 Monmouth - 1916 Selsley)
6) - Thomas Griffiths (1878 Glos - 1947 Kings Stanley) 1905 married Emily Chandler (1884 Kings Stanley - 1974 Kings Stanley)
7) - Jack Lionel Griffiths (1911 Kings Stanley - 1986 Glos) 1955 married Jenny Squire (1923 Stroud - 1997 Glos)
8) - ME!

I have most of the branches of the tree up to the early 1900's, but pretty much all in or around Gloucester.....   

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Monmouthshire / Re: Griffiths - Mitchel Troy - 18th Century
« on: Sunday 08 February 15 14:29 GMT (UK)  »
You ask 'why Monmouth if he had a wife and child in Gloucester?'....  I have asked myself the same question, and I don't have an answer....  all I can speculate is that the marriage between Michael and Elizabeth in Gloucester was an 'unusual' one in so much as there are very distinctive gaps between the children, most unusual for families of that time...  it would seem to make sense that 'Michael' was not spending all his time in Gloucester, whether he was in the army, navy, or prison I don't know.... I have searched prison records, and all the parish records for Gloucester, and I can find no trace of Michael at all other than his marriage in Gloucester in 1768....  so, why Monmouth, why not is all I can say. The marriage may have broken down in some way and he returned to family in Monmouth...   unfortunately I don't have the answers and probably never will...   

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Monmouthshire / Re: Griffiths - Mitchel Troy - 18th Century
« on: Saturday 07 February 15 23:29 GMT (UK)  »
I hadn't thought about DNA....   could be possible I suppose, although I agree the expense is too prohibitive at the moment.... 

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Monmouthshire / Re: Griffiths - Mitchel Troy - 18th Century
« on: Saturday 07 February 15 21:55 GMT (UK)  »
I have spent 20 years on and off trawling through Gloucester Parish Records for the elusive Michael Griffiths but all to no avail; I can only find his marriage to Elizabeth Brown. Interestingly perhaps is what can NOT be found; I haven't found any other Michael Griffiths who could fit the bill except for the Mitchel Troy one.... I have made a decision! Although I can't prove it conclusively I feel that, on the balance of probabilities and in the absence of evidence one way of the other, the Mitchel Troy Michael and the Gloucester Michael are almost certainly the same person...  I am happy to amend that train of thought if new evidence comes to light of course... 

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