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Aberdeenshire / Re: Bertram G Spicer
« on: Tuesday 01 April 25 13:54 BST (UK)  »
She's one of these people you feel there should be a photo of somewhere! Unfortunately, I can't help with the other parts of the query though. Nothing in any of the newspapers?

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Bertram G Spicer
« on: Tuesday 01 April 25 13:08 BST (UK)  »
As an aside, if it's the same Sybil Spicer, she was a teacher at Middlefield School in Aberdeen during WW2. She was seriously injured in a bombing raid on 21st April 1943 while on fire watch duty, and lost a leg as a result. She had a prosthetic fitted, and returned to teaching afterwards.

Hang on - I think you'll know this already! Just looked at the profile name.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Jessie Maitland Milne
« on: Monday 04 November 24 16:34 GMT (UK)  »
That's great to have found her, though sounds it was a tough life for all concerned. Agree about the link with the fishing, people travelled all over following the boats so end up in various places along the way.

Interesting too that her child, Margaret, said Jessie was deceased before she actually was though, according to her marriage certificate.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Jessie Maitland Milne
« on: Monday 07 October 24 12:43 BST (UK)  »
This is a frustrating one, isn't it! Her children would surely have known that she was indeed deceased by the time they were married, so the window really should only be from 1921 to 1931. It does seem strange that the informant on Charles Milne's death is his sister-in-law, especially as he died in hospital, but might explain why Jessie is given as Jessie Maitland, rather than Leith.*

*Edited to add - Jessie would have been Maitland, as her mother later married her father!

However, if something happened between 1921 and 1931, as Charles and Jessie don't seem to be living together, then it may be that the children lost touch with their mother and assumed that she had died. Widening the date range at at Scotland's People centre might be an idea, as you'll be able to view more certificates that way, including those beyond the cut off dates.

Could she have gone to prison? Newspapers might have something, it'd be worth a look if you've not done so.

What's also frustrating is that the Aberdeen city poor records for that time are very patchy, with no real records surviving. There is a list at the city archives (archives [at] aberdeencity.gov.uk) of people who were in Oldmill and in receipt of poor relief under reference C/16/3/1. They are currently closed as they're moving premises, but it's worth an email to them. There are also Woodend Hospital records held at NHS Grampian Archives (gram.archives [at] nhs.scot) - they might not give you any more information than is on Charles's death cert, but again worth an enquiry.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help deciphering occupation 1881 Census
« on: Tuesday 17 September 24 12:37 BST (UK)  »
Also think it looks like Peebles.

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No problem!

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Senile dementia, 1 year
Fracture of Thigh, 6 weeks

He was a tailor - if you look at the T, then compare to the S at the start of senile, they are different.

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The Common Room / Re: Copyright question
« on: Tuesday 20 August 24 14:53 BST (UK)  »

I would argue that all the material held by any public funded Archives IS in the Public Domain.

The material held does not belong to the Archives it belongs to the Public.

People who donate material to public Archives surely do so to enable interested parties to have access to said material for their research and knowledge and by doing so they freely gave their possessions for the great good and that any public Archive does not have the right to put limitations on what use said material can and cannot be used for as long as it does not violate the wishes of the donor family.

Acknowledge the source of the repository of the material by all means

The Archives remit being the preserving and safeguarding documents and items freely donated into its care.
There are many collections held in archives which are accessible to the public which have restrictions placed on them, either by the depositor (eg, copyright, being asked before allowing an item to be looked at, and so on) or by various pieces of legislation, such as what is now GDPR. Many collections, including photographs, will have been deposited with no thought to copyright. Photographs in particular are a minefield, but so are things like orphan works and unpublished material. Copyright on some items that are classed as 'old' can last until 2039.

Material in public archives doesn't belong to the public. That's like saying houses or property owned by a public authority belongs to the public, which isn't true - they're for the use of the public, in the same way their archives are.

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Scotland / Re: Police Reports?
« on: Friday 07 June 24 12:28 BST (UK)  »
Were police reports a thing and if so where can I access them? One of my ancestors drowned and does have an amended death certificate, however I’m curious to know more about the circumstances of that night and was wondering if the police would have had any information on it? He drowned and was brought into the police station where he was pronounced per his death certificate. Thank you!
On the whole, those type of reports haven't survived. However, it is always worth seeing if the police records for the area it happened have. These may be held in the local authority archives (eg, Grampian Police archives are held at Aberdeen City & Aberdeenshire Archives) so contacting the local archive is a good start. They will be able to advise if the records are held with them or elsewhere, and may know if there are no records.

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