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Scotland / Re: Worst possible outcome
« on: Yesterday at 13:19 »
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I don't want free access, I want affordable access for my needs. As far as I can see the only way to achieve that is a subscription model of access, or perhaps bulk pricing on a sliding scale.

To give an example of Other Church records, about 15 years ago I had reason to want to access Nicolson Square Methodist Church records and was told they were not microfilmed and were held off-site. I would have to preorder the volumes I wanted and spend some days in Edinburgh reading them. At that point I gave up. As far as I can see they are still not filmed and are certainly not online and what is worse there is no evidence, like a filming and release schedule, that they ever will be. Equivalent records in England were filmed in the 1950's and are available through multiple subscription sources.

I don't really want to get into specific records but I would like to think that these records were being filmed on a well considered schedule and that they would one day appear online if only to stop them being lost to an unfortunate fire or dropping to bits through age.
This is the crux, what affordable means to different people. I don't have a subscription to Ancestry, as I don't use it enough. I don't mind the credit system on Scotland's People as a result, as it allows me to dip in and out, find information from the free indexes, look at some church records for free, and then decide if I want to part with any money.

Ordering records to look at which are held offsite is really common, and while the issue of access when not in the same country or can't get to where they are held is the same as it ever was, it does seem more frustrating now as there is other information online. A subscription service for Scotland's People isn't going to solve this though.

And thanks to Jon_ni for the fuller explanation of the tribunal outcome, much appreciated!

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Scotland / Re: Worst possible outcome
« on: Thursday 25 September 25 14:13 BST (UK)  »
...There are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of further "Other Church" records where the only choice is a long visit to Edinburgh to trawl through un-indexed records. Given the cost of hotels in Edinburgh these days that's totally out of the question, I haven't been able to afford those trips since I retired.
As I said originally I'm no fan of Ancestry and really don't want them to have the records (at least not solely them). What I really want is for ScotlandsPeople to actually be for Scotland's People.
There are millions of records in other archives too, the vast majority of which are not available via either Scotland's People, Ancestry, or any other commercial provider. While Ancestry might want some of these, and then get them on whatever kind of deal they make, this is a different issue which is covered in the ICO's decision.

Scotland's People is for Scotland's People, but the records are really only a tiny tiny part of what's actually out there. Not everything will ever appear online either, and not everything will ever be available via one central site. Not everything is in Edinburgh! There are records and indexes and datasets available all over the place, some for free, some you have to send away for a book, and some you have to pay to access online. There is a wider discussion to be had about paying for access to records, either in person or online, but this particular request by Ancestry was refused on a specific point regarding re-use of public sector information.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Bertram G Spicer
« on: Tuesday 01 April 25 13:54 BST (UK)  »
She's one of these people you feel there should be a photo of somewhere! Unfortunately, I can't help with the other parts of the query though. Nothing in any of the newspapers?

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Bertram G Spicer
« on: Tuesday 01 April 25 13:08 BST (UK)  »
As an aside, if it's the same Sybil Spicer, she was a teacher at Middlefield School in Aberdeen during WW2. She was seriously injured in a bombing raid on 21st April 1943 while on fire watch duty, and lost a leg as a result. She had a prosthetic fitted, and returned to teaching afterwards.

Hang on - I think you'll know this already! Just looked at the profile name.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Jessie Maitland Milne
« on: Monday 04 November 24 16:34 GMT (UK)  »
That's great to have found her, though sounds it was a tough life for all concerned. Agree about the link with the fishing, people travelled all over following the boats so end up in various places along the way.

Interesting too that her child, Margaret, said Jessie was deceased before she actually was though, according to her marriage certificate.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Jessie Maitland Milne
« on: Monday 07 October 24 12:43 BST (UK)  »
This is a frustrating one, isn't it! Her children would surely have known that she was indeed deceased by the time they were married, so the window really should only be from 1921 to 1931. It does seem strange that the informant on Charles Milne's death is his sister-in-law, especially as he died in hospital, but might explain why Jessie is given as Jessie Maitland, rather than Leith.*

*Edited to add - Jessie would have been Maitland, as her mother later married her father!

However, if something happened between 1921 and 1931, as Charles and Jessie don't seem to be living together, then it may be that the children lost touch with their mother and assumed that she had died. Widening the date range at at Scotland's People centre might be an idea, as you'll be able to view more certificates that way, including those beyond the cut off dates.

Could she have gone to prison? Newspapers might have something, it'd be worth a look if you've not done so.

What's also frustrating is that the Aberdeen city poor records for that time are very patchy, with no real records surviving. There is a list at the city archives (archives [at] aberdeencity.gov.uk) of people who were in Oldmill and in receipt of poor relief under reference C/16/3/1. They are currently closed as they're moving premises, but it's worth an email to them. There are also Woodend Hospital records held at NHS Grampian Archives (gram.archives [at] nhs.scot) - they might not give you any more information than is on Charles's death cert, but again worth an enquiry.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help deciphering occupation 1881 Census
« on: Tuesday 17 September 24 12:37 BST (UK)  »
Also think it looks like Peebles.

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No problem!

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Senile dementia, 1 year
Fracture of Thigh, 6 weeks

He was a tailor - if you look at the T, then compare to the S at the start of senile, they are different.

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