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Staffordshire / Re: Trentham Hall Estate Buildings
« on: Friday 22 May 15 13:04 BST (UK)  »
Re Thomas Cox's house, I recognise it, it use to be on the right hand side on Longton road going towards longton. (now demolished). There is now a large roundabout in its place used to enter the  Garden centre and entrance to Trentham gardens. It was opposite what use to be Ash Green Post office.
Now Trentham Park railway line, no to my knowledge there were no railway lines either over the bridge or in the tunnel, as the building of this line from Trentham Park station was abandoned when WW11 broke out. When I speak about Trentham Park railway station I am talking about the station which use to be opposite the what is now Clayton lane (Dog Kennel Lane) on Boma Road A34, (Ex London Road). Don't forget  all metal was removed for war purposes including the railings which use to surround our estate house(Yellow  Houses ) on entering the park. This also included the gates to the Park as my granddad was very upset over this.
The branch line started from what is now Trentham station and went to Trentham Park station and was intended to go to pool Dam in Newcastle to link up with the Newcastle - Market Drayton line.
An ironic aspect of this, is that this branch line to Trentham Park became busier than ever when the London clearing Banks evacuated to Trentham Gardens ballroom in 1939. Indeed one of the reasons for this site being chosen was because it was capable of being fully serviced by postal and railway authorities. I hope this is of help.

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Staffordshire / Re: Trentham Hall Estate Buildings
« on: Saturday 22 October 11 14:59 BST (UK)  »
I recall the Roxy Cinema demolished in Newcastle, I think it was early 60s and again the Rex and Rio Cinema's also in Newcastle, I think that was early 70s when Henry Whites store was demolished and Newcastle had a face lift. I am sorry I cannot be of more help as I have not lived in the midlands since the 70s

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Staffordshire / Re: Trentham Hall Estate Buildings
« on: Friday 21 October 11 18:09 BST (UK)  »
Re Tunnel remains by the A34, this is where the bridge use to be across the A34. It was known as the Bridge to Nowhere. This bridge was built 1946 with its railway station known as Trentham Park  linking it to Pool Dam in Newcastle and then link up with another Branch line to Knutton, but the scheme was never taken up. This line being the aborted branch line had a brick built underpass or culvert a few yards on the Handford side of the bridge. For some time after the opening of this branch line there was also an unstaffed halt at New Inn lane. It was on the branch line that the then Princes Elizabeth and now the Duke stayed over night in a railway carrage (unknown to many escept the Trentham Gardens estate Office)

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Staffordshire / Re: Trentham Hall Estate Buildings
« on: Sunday 25 September 11 18:04 BST (UK)  »
In reply, yes you go though the courtyard pass the fountain which use to be the horse trough and continue and on the left yes there was a black and white house known as the Dairy house and as you state that is where the Arrowsmiths, and latter Alums use to live. If you went further up the drive there use to be a small cottage on the right with a double garage and then bearing to the left was a large bungalow which we all called the Dolls house. This was owned in the 1940-50, by Major Frazer MP for Stafford and Stone. In the bungalow a Miss Slin who was his housekeeper use to live alone when he was not present. The building had a very long corrider with I think 2 self contained suits and at the far end there was a round conservatory which was used by the Girl Guides before they moved into the gardens into the Brothie which was the Black and white Dolls house which has recently been rebuilt (smaller than it use to be) next to the new garden Centre. I went to infant school there as a child before going to the main school ( now demolished opposite what is now poachers cottage. on the A34)

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Staffordshire / Re: Trentham Hall Estate Buildings
« on: Sunday 23 January 11 20:56 GMT (UK)  »
Re The Dairy house where Mr Allum( late 1940 early 1950) use to live, yes it was part of the estate, I know it is now a Bed /Breakfast and I enclose a photo of how  it looks today
http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidoss/3563835459/
This house had a manager before Mr Allum but I cannot think of his name. The Arrowsmiths may have lived in it before the period we are talking about. In my Grandads time when he lived in what is now the Golf Club house in the park.
 It was on the right hand side facing the little bridge which is next door to the original entrance to the Hall ( from the Park). Then behind it was the other house where Major Frazer used to live, but that was only accessable though the estate yard.


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Staffordshire / Re: Trentham Hall Estate Buildings
« on: Saturday 22 January 11 19:15 GMT (UK)  »
You give a plan of old Trentham, I can add a little more for your information as I use to live in the courtyard. You point out the Malt house, next door use to be the stables where  as a child their use to be cart shire horses, one called Sampson who I rode bare back, they were working horses. Next door the coke store and last was the farrier. The vicarage is now in its place. The centre area as you mention is a fountain, this use to be the horse trough. The slaughter workshops on the top right, I knew very well as my grandad use to slaughter the deer at culling time. The right part of the slaughter house was a cold store whereby the left side was a large area , with white tiles and a high ceiling with plenty of hooks and hangers to hang carcass of venison. There were no cow sheds , those building were grain stores then though the arch way led to the carpenters shop, Hay stack and carrage repair area, As mentioned if you go past the slaughter house  the road leads to the Dairy House ( Where Mr Allum  the estate manager use to live) Next door use to be a house which consisted of two separate flats and a long corrider  and at  the at the end was a circular room. This room was used for the Girl Guides before they went into the Brothie( Dolls House in the gardens) A Miss Slin used to live there, as she was the housekeeper for Major Frazer who was the MP for Stone and Stafford for many years. Across the road from the court yard use to be the police house next to the Poultry house. At the far end of the poultry house was the apple orchard and during the war and in the 1940-50, was used as allotments for estate workers. There is a quarry at the top of the park just before the motorway and Gravel pit lodge. I hope this information is of help.

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Staffordshire / Re: Trentham Hall Estate Buildings
« on: Tuesday 28 December 10 10:19 GMT (UK)  »
To Trekker and all readers
Trentham school , thanks for the memories, can I bring you a few more. Do you remember the gas mantels and the tallest person in the class had to stand on the table and light them. Also all the classrooms and the hall had slates around the walls so we could write or draw on them. We did not have paper but slates to write on, on side had HTU ( hundreds, tens and units) the other side was blank. We all had 1/3 pint of milk with a carboard top ( ideal to make pom poms) but in the winter the milk would be frozen so we had to warm the milk in its bottles in front of the large open fire and the tops would come up and the milk use to make such a mess and smell.I remember the air raid shelter and the toilet at the end. My brother, Brian attended cubs at the old school house, that is the one where the entrance was on Wengers drive, not where Mr Goldstone lived which was next door to the school and Institute(NAAFI). I recall my grandfathers house at the Rosary at the entrance to the park, having the metal railings removed for metal for the war and the french and polish refugees coming in the park. My grandad was very upset as they started killing the deer for food.

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Staffordshire / Sherriff Hales
« on: Wednesday 15 December 10 19:47 GMT (UK)  »
In 1922 James and Sarah Hicks left Sherrif Hales (then owned by the Duke of Sutherland) and were given a silver tray on leaving the village. Has anyone any information either about the farm (which was  Manor Farm) or  Sherriff Hales as it was on Shropshire /staffordshire border at that time.

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Staffordshire / Re: Trentham Hall Estate Buildings
« on: Sunday 12 December 10 11:00 GMT (UK)  »
Re Dog Kennel Lane. This lane was named after the Dog kennels which was owned by the Duke of Sutherland, on the right hand side leaving Trentham you go over the river Trent, then you see a small cottage with a farm gate this house which was known then as the Kennels ( now extended) was for the kennels helpers and further down the road used to be the dog Kennels,It was a white building and had another entrance where the road is now called Fairway.  During the war it was the depot for Red cross ambulances, The reason I know this as I was a child living in the kennels house. The dog Kennels house was knocked down when the new estate was built. The area you mention about the double decker caravan, I recal that was on the area by Northwood lane which does lead to Clayton and then Newcastle.

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