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Devon Lookup Requests / Re: Is there a list of Devon marriages pre 1820?
« on: Thursday 09 July 09 16:25 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for this, it's a site I've not seen before - I just wish I knew where to start looking for Elizabeth -needle in a haystack comes to mind at the moment!

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Devon Lookup Requests / Is there a list of Devon marriages pre 1820?
« on: Thursday 09 July 09 11:22 BST (UK)  »
I'm hoping someone has access to either a marriage cd for Devon or the books -if there is such a thing in the record office, as we're desperate to find out the maiden name of my 4x gt grandmother Elizabeth Chamberlain.

She married a second time to Thomas Bethell in Bishops Frome Herefordshire in 1820 -both were widowed.
Census records show she was born about 1779 and one says she was born in Ottery St Mary.

We know that she had a daughter Elizabeth Chamberlain from her first marriage, and that she was born about 1809 Exeter, but we can only find submitted records on IGI for a suitable marriage and I'm always wary of these.

We guess that Elizabeth (1779) must have married in Devon and around the 1799 -1809 period, but to who??

There are a fair few Chamberlains in Herefordshire as well and I'm wondering if there is any link?

Can anyone compile a list of Chamberlain marriages for this period of time for me that might fit? I'd be extremely grateful for any help  :)

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Worcestershire Lookup Requests / Re: George Anthony - Confused !!
« on: Friday 19 June 09 10:21 BST (UK)  »
Going to add a final post to this, as we've been staring at this birth certificate for so long it's a wonder it hasn't faded!
First thought, as said before, when the registrar originally wrote the certificate out, the ink was smudged making a 3 look like an 8, the document gets filed away and put on the list of registrations, it goes to the printer and comes out as 1848 instead of 1843.
Second thought, similar to the first, the document is so badly damaged -and the original printed registration still showing 1848 that it has to be rewritten when it was ordered last year.
Final thought, after reading something very interesting, and I'm now going to back track slightly on what I've said before ,is this:

When the first system of registering births was first set up in 1837, many people didn't bother to register, for example, some people who had already had children did not realise the system had changed, and others were confused.
It was only after 1874 that people were fined for not registering a birth, so before that date there's no guarantee on find a birth certificate, (or even a correct one!) for your ancestors. Not everyone complied with the law!!

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Worcestershire Lookup Requests / Re: George Anthony - Confused !!
« on: Thursday 18 June 09 21:33 BST (UK)  »
and a  good thought that's stirred the old brain cells again regarding the Anthony's from this area, although we've found no link with them as yet, there is certainly something there - a brick wall that needs a bit of knocking down, so with a bit of luck and hope, we might one day get to link the 2 families together ;)

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Worcestershire Lookup Requests / Re: George Anthony - Confused !!
« on: Thursday 18 June 09 19:18 BST (UK)  »
I notice this one,

RICHARD ANTHONY.
Christening, 28 DEC 1845, Leigh With Bransford, Worcester.
Parents:
EZEKIEL ANTHONY.
SARAH.

And this is the closest birth reg I can see,

Births Mar 1845.
ANTHONY    Richard, Knighton, 26, 248.

The same place as,

Births Mar 1844.
ANTHONY    George. Knighton. 26. 227.

The years are right.






    
   
Just re- read your post again Jim, apologies, I've had such an intensive day with the research! Knighton is on the Shropshire borders -I was thinking you meant Knightwick which does have our Anthony relations!
We are aware of the Knighton/Shropshire/Tenbury Anthony's and so far sadly we haven't been able to link back to them, but we live in hope! ;)

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Worcestershire Lookup Requests / Re: George Anthony - Confused !!
« on: Thursday 18 June 09 18:01 BST (UK)  »
ok good, So I will check Knighton parish for these, thank you.
Just to confirm though, the records found from today's microfilm records:
Parishes checked for births and deaths :- St Clements, St John Bedwardine, St Peter Powick, Leigh with Bransford
Children of Ezekiel Anthony and Sarah Johnson:

Eliza Anthony daughter of the above, abode: Hinton Lane, Worcester, father's occupation: labourer, was baptised by rector John Danks on 6 Nov 1827 St Clements ( the IGI record for 27 Apr 1828 is wrong, as no baptisms on that date took place in any of the parishes!)

Ezekiel Anthony son of the above, abode:Cripplegate, Worcester ( few minutes walk from the previous abode -I'm a local lass which helps with this!),father's occupation, labourer, was baptised 13 Dec 1829 St Clements, Worcester
Burial took place 22 Mar 1830 at St Leonards, Cotheridge, performed by Rev. Edward Green (from the original parish records held at the church itself.)

James Anthony born 21 Mar 1831 (from his daughter's birthday book) son of the above, abode: Cripplegate, Worcester) father's occupation:  labourer, was baptised 30 Mar 1831 St Clements, Worcester

Thomas Anthony, son of the above, abode: Powick, father's occupation: labourer, was baptised at St Peter, Powick on 18 Aug 1833 (not at Leigh with Bransford as it states on IGI and I did check all the other parishes just to make sure)

John Anthony, his record was the only one I couldn't find, as his IGI stated baptism is 15 Dec 1835 St Clements -- The microfilm ended at Dec 7th 1835, continued on the next microfilm at 21 Dec 1835 -however we hold plenty of records for him, and are 99.9% confident that he is the son of Ezekiel and Sarah, also he is on census records with them. I hope to find his baptism on either Powick or St Clements BT's as I did check the other parishes for 6 years either side of his IGI given date just to be sure

Ezekiel Anthony, son of the above, abode: Powick, father's occupation: labourer, was baptised  27 Mar 1838 by W. Woodward at Bransford parish

Benjamin Anthony, son of the above, abode: Powick, father's occupation: labourer, was baptised 3 Sept 1840 by N. Cocks at Bransford

George Anthony, son of the above, double entry for both Leigh and Bransford parish 1843 as I stated earlier

Richard Anthony, son of the above, abode: Powick, father's occupation: labourer, was baptised at Bransford by Thomas Robinson on 28 Dec 1845 -this is also a double entry as it appears again in Leigh parish records
Burial of Richard Anthony, abode: Powick, age 2 took place on 1 Feb 1848 at St Peter Powick, vicar was J.H. Turbitt.

Henry Richard Anthony, son of the above, abode: Twig Bed Powick, father's occupation: labourer, was baptised 27 Mar 1848, by N.S. Cocks at Bransford.
Burial of Henry Anthony, abode: Powick, aged 11 months took place on 16 Feb 1849 at St Peter Powick, vicar J.H. Turbitt.

Phew, I'm pooped now!










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Worcestershire Lookup Requests / Re: George Anthony - Confused !!
« on: Thursday 18 June 09 17:03 BST (UK)  »
Ezekiel, his wife Sarah, and most importantly their son, and grandson, both called George, are living at 'Twig Bed' Powick, Worcestershire. So it all fits in. Their daughter Eliza, the mother of George Aspey Anthony is also there along with a few other of her siblings. Their places of birth also fit in with the baptism records.
I still stand by my theory that the actual Birth certificate is wrongly dated, especially as it is so easy for wet ink, whether printed or out of a pot, to turn a simple number 3 into an 8.
The next step of course is to look at Cotheridge burial records again, and also look at the original birth registrations just to be doubly sure, but as a fair few of George's (1843) siblings don't appear on BMD either, I can only guess that they are one of the many records yet to be transcribed.

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Worcestershire Lookup Requests / Re: George Anthony - Confused !!
« on: Thursday 18 June 09 16:11 BST (UK)  »
Okay everyone, think I can finally shed some light on this ;D
After  4 hours sat looking at every possible microfilm record -again, for the family. I can confirm that George Anthony's baptism was actually registered twice! Once at Leigh parish Worcestershire, and again at Bransford parish (the parish is known as Leigh with Bransford)
At Leigh it states :
George Anthony, son of Ezekiel and Sarah of Twig Bed, Bransford was baptised by G. Munn on 30 July 1843 (Ezekiel's occupation, Labourer)
At Bransford it states:
George Anthony, son of Ezekiel and Sarah of Twig Bed, Powick (this is just the name of their cottage) was baptised by G.S. Munn on 30 July 1843 (Ezekiel's occupation, Labourer)

I've also double checked George's siblings again, and although most are correct, I've found a bit of a discrepancy with IGI records for one or two.

I also checked the baptism record of George Aspey, as well as every possible death record for Powick, Leigh with Bransford, St Clements Worcester and St John Bedwardine, and nowhere could I find a death of any George Anthony or Aspey/Asprey.

George Aspey Anthony to give him his correct name from the baptism record, was baptised at St Peter Powick, son of Eliza Anthony, single woman, on 24 July 1850.
A personal theory as to why I couldn't find records of his death in 1855 is that he may have possibly been buried in the original Anthony family church at Cotheridge, alas I didn't have time to check those!

As for the birth certificate, I personally feel, now I've seen the double entry baptism for George Anthony 1843, is that because his death certificate, and census records point to him being born in or around 1843, is that the birth certificate is actually wrong. My guess is a printing error or blotched ink, after all it's very easy to  accidently convert a 3 into an 8!

So hopefully problem now solved ;) phew!!

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absolutely wonderful, thank you so much for your help. Talking this over with family members who remember Herbert and his 'camera' I do thinks it's quite possible he persuaded his elderly father to have his photo taken. If not him, then there is a possibility that the man is Herbert's uncle, who was a few years younger than his brother George. Otherwise, we can find no other possible relatives who it could be.
Thanks again, I really appreciate all your help  :)

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