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Antrim / Re: Crawford & Strahan anyone
« on: Wednesday 04 March 09 17:41 GMT (UK)  »
I'm back . . . another Crawford/Strahan matter:
my surname immigrant to USA is found in 1820 Fed Census and 1825 Illinois census with a William B. Crawford living next door born ca 1772 Scotland.       His son Blair Strahan is still living next door to a William B. Crawford, the grandson, in 1870.   This is in Randolph Co., Illinois, and a family file for this Crawford family is to be found at familysearch.com.       
Now my immigrant and his siblings and possibly his parents immigranted from Co. Antrim and we have reason to believe that his father was a cousin to Sam of Rathkenny married to (thought to be) Jean Martin.  AND all kinds of people from Co. Antrim reunited with folks from Co Antrim in that community in Illinois—and they came to Illinois via Virginia, Tennessee, South Carolina, Pennsylvania...
Now we have this Crawford family stuck side by side with us for the good part of a century—and it is supposed to be from Dreghorn and Irvine in Ayrshire.    The first William B.'s father is supposed to have been William Crawford b. 1772 married Helen Beveradge [sic] m. 21 May 1796 in Dreghorn and buried in the Old Cemetery Irvine.   She is buried in the Caledonia Cemetery, Sparta, Illinois   They had fourteen children, the oldest of which is a Andrew b. 1797 then a David b. 1799. . . Most of them died in Scotland.   The third son John died in Havana.      The younger children died in the USA in Illinois or Kansas and include a Bryce Crawford.
Now I know from Bryson research that some Brysons who came to this country from Co. Antrim and Co. Down had actually been born in Scotland around the same time.
So my question is do you know if any of your Crawfords had family members in Dreghorn or Irvine, Ayershire?   Do you have an idea of when your Crawfords came to Co. Antrim?
  I'm inclinded to think that these families in Randolph County had known each other in either Ireland or Scotland.

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Antrim / Re: Crawford & Strahan anyone
« on: Wednesday 04 March 09 16:17 GMT (UK)  »
Trouble with replies is that I can't look at your message as I write.

I think other researchers have Samuel of Dunbought married to Mary Brown or Sarah Mary Brown because her grandson is Samuel Brown Strahan by James Alexander Strahan and neither his wife's mother's maiden name nor his mother's mother maiden name was Brown.
If you look at the census for Daniel McCay the name of his second daughter is Mary not Jean.    .
My guess is that the Mary McIntyre was his mother and Jean Martin was Mary's mother as the oldest daughter is a Jane.
At least so far as I understand naming practices, this explanation would make sense:   'tis Mary McIntyre or some Mary was Daniel's mother and some Jean/Jane Mary's mother.
It's really easy to interchange the names especially if you are not looking at the whole family group. . . .

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Antrim / Re: Crawford & Strahan anyone
« on: Saturday 28 February 09 17:27 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for getting back.....I am very very puzzled by all of these Samuels and differing spouses.    I received the information re the Jean Martin from a long time researcher in a family descended from their son Andrew, whose wedding was performed in NYC by my Strachan/Strahan immigrant's nephew-in-law the Rev. Hugh Henry Blair.    She's quite definite about Jean being wife of Andrew's father and would support it with Martin being a given name among the grandchildren of the couple as in Thomas Martin Strahan's being a son of John the Builder d. 1892 Belfast? 
I'm wondering if Jean Martin could have married twice or Samuel married twice—once to a Mary McIntyre and once to Jean.    She also has same born ca 1750 and start family after age 60, so he might have been previously married, which another son of John the Builder says happened to his father (and I think he meant his grandfather)
Do you have any dates on the Sam married to Mary McIntyre?
I'm also wondering if this Sam is s/o a Sam who is a freeholder in Rathkenny in 1776 and if he may have been married to Mary McIntyre.

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Antrim / Re: Crawford & Strahan anyone
« on: Friday 27 February 09 02:14 GMT (UK)  »
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Well, well, well, why haven't I found you sooner, and I think I may recognize a contributor or two!    I, too, am seeking to place my surname ancestor, who is an immigrant to the United States from Co. Antrim 1800-1803, a James Strahan b. 1777, who married an Ann Jane Blair in Donegore Seceder (sp?) Church ca 1800, dau of Hugh Blair and Jane Thompson.     I've been working on this ca 39 years, and have corresponded with a number of researchers over the years and am finally getting around to trying to sort out conflicting reports of wives and relationships and to pin down places and times of events and if possibly to find the 'bones.'
There are several comments by several persons in this exchange that I would love to jump in on, but I'll try to take one at a time.
     Like others of you have various Samuels with various wives and sometimes the same Samuel with different reported wives:
1)   there's the Samuel who is the freeholder in Rathkenny/Skerry in 1776 who may be the Samuel married to Jean Martin's father (the birth order and naming of the Sam married to Jean Martin's children would suggest that his father was a Samuel)—this is the Sam w/ the sister Ann married to Robert Crawford and the daughter Mary married to a Daniel McKay;
2) one researcher held that there was a Samuel in Lisnacrogher (Rathkenny?) who was a brother of George d.1784 Lisnacrogher and that this Samuel had three sons—a James, a George, and another Samuel, the Samuel of Rathkenny married to Jean Martin.  Apparently  Ann married to Robert Crawford would have been their sister.    [I think there may have been another son John]   Does anyone out there know anything about a James Strahan and John Strahan, farmers in Inshamph in 1783?   I have wondered if these could be sons of the Samuel who is in Rathkenny in 1776.
3)   then there is Samuel and Jean Martin's son Samuel married to Mary Hyndman, who is also a Sam of Rathkenny.
4)  the there's a Samuel of Syndenham, Co. Down,  who dies 1889 and is an executor for another of Sam married to Jean Martin's sons;
5) and there's this Samuel of Dunbought or Clough, depending on researcher, who is married either to a Sarah Mary Alexander or a Mary Brown or both [grandson born in US is Samuel Brown Strahan]—depending on researcher this Samuel is either s/o George d.1784 Lisnacrogher son James or the brother Samuel's son James or the son of an Alexander born 1750 Aberdeen.

So my question does anyone out there has dates for any of these Sam Strahans and/or their spouses?

I can report that both a child of Samuel married to Jean b. 1822 Rathkenny and a child b. 1825 Dunbought/Clough of Samuel of Dunbought/Clough married to Mary Brown/Sarah Mary Alexander in the 1880 census report that they and both of their parents were born in Scotland!    So presumeably none of them were in Co. Antrim in 1776!

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