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Lanarkshire / Re: Eastop family
« on: Tuesday 24 February 09 13:59 GMT (UK) »
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Lanarkshire / Re: Eastop family
« on: Tuesday 24 February 09 13:56 GMT (UK) »
Re: Richard JONES!
Here are the details which I have, (courtesy of our relative via my grandfather). Richard JONES M.A. (Oxon) b 1757 married 7.11.1754 died 23.4.1814. Rector of Llanychan nr. Ruthin. Wife Grace JONES b 1761/2 buried at Llanychan 27.10.1826.
Richard's father was apparently one Richard JONES but I don't have birth/death dates. I do have a title beneath but it's all handwritten and I'm not sure what this means. Looks like corvirct of Ruthin. His wife is marked as Mary JONES. That Richard JONES', (corvirct?!) father is recorded sa John JONES and his wife is Hannah GOODMAN. (NOT Goodwin as I previously said)
I have a separate handwritten record of the GOODMANs, (that is to say that I have photos of original copies). This shows the father of Hannah GOODMAN as Richard GOODMAN, (I think 'only son' is written beneath), married to a Jane HUGHS (that's how it's spelt).
Richard's father is Syman GOODMAN (handwritten beneath poss 'eldest son' ?). Married to Alis ?
Syman's father is John GOODMAN 'Eldest son', looks like 'virginal maker' !! 'alive in 1455' married to Ann?
John's father is Godfrey GOODMAN 'Second Son Priest 1587 Alive in 1455' married to Alis? 'daugher of Hugh'
Godfrey's father is Gowan GOODMAN 1526 to 1604 of Ruthin, Gentleman married to Ellin GRIFFITH daughter of Thomas
Gowan's father was Edward GOODMAN 1477 to 22May 1560. Writing hard to read here but looks like 'Mercet, Bangis of Ruthin. Married to Cecily THEWALL 1494 to 4 Jan 158? 3/4
Edwards father was Thomas GOODMAN of Mault (?)
Cecilys father was Edward THEWALL married to Catherine ?
Gowan GOODMAN 1526 to 1604 (father to Godfrey), had a brother called Gabriel GOODMAN 1529 to 1601 Dean of Westminster aand another brother called Godfrey GOODMAN married to Jane CRUXTON (2nd wife). Their son was also called Godfrey GOODMAN 1583 to 1656, unmarried, Bishop of Gloucester.
Of course I have not confirmed any of this myself although I do know that the relative regularly wrote to my Grandfather to tell him of his travels and progress.
Re: the Macauley's. Firstly I think Margaret had a sister who might have moved to Canada. I remember as a teenager her granddaugher wrote to me but sadly the correspondance fizzled out, (due to my exam revision). I have her letters somewhere in the loft!
Also re: the poet Thomas Macauley, I have also heard this tale. It appears that everybody of my grandfathers generation was told this! There is some sort of mystery arising from some pages torn out of the family bible by my great great grandfather. A letter from my grandfather on the subject says 'it was destroyed in jealously' of his wife's family heritage but that so far nobody had proved the link. And that only the original owners name 'A&E Macauley' remain written in gold. Hmmmmm
I've just discovered more photocopied docs!
Bye for now!
Rina
Here are the details which I have, (courtesy of our relative via my grandfather). Richard JONES M.A. (Oxon) b 1757 married 7.11.1754 died 23.4.1814. Rector of Llanychan nr. Ruthin. Wife Grace JONES b 1761/2 buried at Llanychan 27.10.1826.
Richard's father was apparently one Richard JONES but I don't have birth/death dates. I do have a title beneath but it's all handwritten and I'm not sure what this means. Looks like corvirct of Ruthin. His wife is marked as Mary JONES. That Richard JONES', (corvirct?!) father is recorded sa John JONES and his wife is Hannah GOODMAN. (NOT Goodwin as I previously said)
I have a separate handwritten record of the GOODMANs, (that is to say that I have photos of original copies). This shows the father of Hannah GOODMAN as Richard GOODMAN, (I think 'only son' is written beneath), married to a Jane HUGHS (that's how it's spelt).
Richard's father is Syman GOODMAN (handwritten beneath poss 'eldest son' ?). Married to Alis ?
Syman's father is John GOODMAN 'Eldest son', looks like 'virginal maker' !! 'alive in 1455' married to Ann?
John's father is Godfrey GOODMAN 'Second Son Priest 1587 Alive in 1455' married to Alis? 'daugher of Hugh'
Godfrey's father is Gowan GOODMAN 1526 to 1604 of Ruthin, Gentleman married to Ellin GRIFFITH daughter of Thomas
Gowan's father was Edward GOODMAN 1477 to 22May 1560. Writing hard to read here but looks like 'Mercet, Bangis of Ruthin. Married to Cecily THEWALL 1494 to 4 Jan 158? 3/4
Edwards father was Thomas GOODMAN of Mault (?)
Cecilys father was Edward THEWALL married to Catherine ?
Gowan GOODMAN 1526 to 1604 (father to Godfrey), had a brother called Gabriel GOODMAN 1529 to 1601 Dean of Westminster aand another brother called Godfrey GOODMAN married to Jane CRUXTON (2nd wife). Their son was also called Godfrey GOODMAN 1583 to 1656, unmarried, Bishop of Gloucester.
Of course I have not confirmed any of this myself although I do know that the relative regularly wrote to my Grandfather to tell him of his travels and progress.
Re: the Macauley's. Firstly I think Margaret had a sister who might have moved to Canada. I remember as a teenager her granddaugher wrote to me but sadly the correspondance fizzled out, (due to my exam revision). I have her letters somewhere in the loft!
Also re: the poet Thomas Macauley, I have also heard this tale. It appears that everybody of my grandfathers generation was told this! There is some sort of mystery arising from some pages torn out of the family bible by my great great grandfather. A letter from my grandfather on the subject says 'it was destroyed in jealously' of his wife's family heritage but that so far nobody had proved the link. And that only the original owners name 'A&E Macauley' remain written in gold. Hmmmmm
I've just discovered more photocopied docs!
Bye for now!
Rina
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Lanarkshire / Re: Eastop family
« on: Tuesday 24 February 09 13:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mary!
I didn't expect such a quick reply! Yes, I'm trying to work out the personal message bit but TBH I'm not finding the site v. easy to use so far. There is something in the personal message instructions about needing to send or post 3 messages before you can send a personal one. Not sure but I'm trying to think round this. Maybe if nec. to create Flickr/Facebook or similar. What UK area do you live in? I'm south west London. I have photos of my mum's photos and grandad's documents which he's saved from your relative.
The photo I have of Margaret is probably the same-there's 13 people in the photo-little Ethel is on Margaret's lap. Our relatives are either side of their brother Owen. Elizabeth is second from right at the back. My Great Grandma Harriett is third from left at the back. If it's the same photo I can give you the other names. I didn't know where it was taken so thank you for that. My grandfather was Will, (my Mum's dad). His proper name was Edward William Owen Brockman and his wife was Violet nee Shelton. Sadly they died late 70's and early 80's. Charlie died in the 70's I did meet him a few times-a lovely man. His wife is still in touch with my Mum. Of course my mum remembers them all much better than me as she knew them all well. Auntie Maggie had a farm in Kent near Silverstone- I remember camping there as a child. I think Rob ran a post office in Dartford as some point-family legend has it that schoolboy Mick Jagger and friends practiced their music in his shed!! But enough of that for now!
Do you know if Margaret and your Elizabeth's husbands were related? The relative who did all the research is related to one of them but not sure which. His name is Alan and my Mum was in touch with him in 2002.
I'll reply to the Richard Jones post separately.
Rina
I didn't expect such a quick reply! Yes, I'm trying to work out the personal message bit but TBH I'm not finding the site v. easy to use so far. There is something in the personal message instructions about needing to send or post 3 messages before you can send a personal one. Not sure but I'm trying to think round this. Maybe if nec. to create Flickr/Facebook or similar. What UK area do you live in? I'm south west London. I have photos of my mum's photos and grandad's documents which he's saved from your relative.
The photo I have of Margaret is probably the same-there's 13 people in the photo-little Ethel is on Margaret's lap. Our relatives are either side of their brother Owen. Elizabeth is second from right at the back. My Great Grandma Harriett is third from left at the back. If it's the same photo I can give you the other names. I didn't know where it was taken so thank you for that. My grandfather was Will, (my Mum's dad). His proper name was Edward William Owen Brockman and his wife was Violet nee Shelton. Sadly they died late 70's and early 80's. Charlie died in the 70's I did meet him a few times-a lovely man. His wife is still in touch with my Mum. Of course my mum remembers them all much better than me as she knew them all well. Auntie Maggie had a farm in Kent near Silverstone- I remember camping there as a child. I think Rob ran a post office in Dartford as some point-family legend has it that schoolboy Mick Jagger and friends practiced their music in his shed!! But enough of that for now!
Do you know if Margaret and your Elizabeth's husbands were related? The relative who did all the research is related to one of them but not sure which. His name is Alan and my Mum was in touch with him in 2002.
I'll reply to the Richard Jones post separately.
Rina
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Lanarkshire / Re: Eastop family
« on: Tuesday 24 February 09 02:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi!
I found your posts re: the Eastops and jones by chance and Margaret Eastop & Owen Henry Jones are my GG Grandparents on my mother's side. From reading your posts I think one of your mother's relatives, (cousin or brother maybe), did a lot of research back in the 1970's. I have his information which he sent to my late grandfather who was the son of Margaret and Owen's daughter Harriet born 1903 died 1955. I've tried to attach the copy of the family tree and photos with Margaret and family in, but even just sending one my file is too large. I'll try to work out how to make it smaller!
In the meantime-Margaret Eastop b29.8.1851 Anniesland Glasgow, married 12.9.1869 Shoreditch, died 7.2.1929 Belvedere, Kent. Her husband, b 6.12.1847, Thornham? Norfolk, died 1934 Belvedere, Kent.
Margaret's parents were Thomas Eastop b around 1830 prob Glasgow married 31.12.1850 Glasgow, died 17.01.1906 Shoreditch, occ iron moulder. His wife was Janet Macaulay or McAulay b 24.02.1830 Govan, Glasgow. Died 22.01.1868 Hackney.
Thomas Eastop's father was called James died by 1869 no further details on the Eastops.
Janet Macaulay or McAulay's father was Alexander Macaulay b. 21.8.1802 Govan. Married before 1824 Govan Glasgow and was still alive in 1839. Janet's mother was Elizabeth Scott b 20.9.1803 Govan alive in 1839.
Alexander's father was Andrew McAulay a labourer who married Janet Hamilton on 12.2.1794.
Elizabeth Scott's father was Andrew Scott a weaver who married Jane Robertson on 11.9.1798.
When you've confirmed you've got this message , if you are interested I'll see what else I've got. Rev Richard Jones' descendents were one John Jones and Hannah Goodwin. Your/my relative strongly suspected that the Goodwins were related to Bishop Goodwin and that we were related to the Bishop's brother a 'gentleman'. I have more on that stored somewhere and some pictures of them too. If this is correct that would be a picture of our something like 12x great grandfather.
In any case, I am grateful to that relative for firmly establishing as much as he has-it must have taken a great deal of effort, travel and expense 30 odd years ago! I'm sure by now he may have more-I'll ask my parents who are in touch.
Did you have much success since your last post in May?
Regards,
Rina
I found your posts re: the Eastops and jones by chance and Margaret Eastop & Owen Henry Jones are my GG Grandparents on my mother's side. From reading your posts I think one of your mother's relatives, (cousin or brother maybe), did a lot of research back in the 1970's. I have his information which he sent to my late grandfather who was the son of Margaret and Owen's daughter Harriet born 1903 died 1955. I've tried to attach the copy of the family tree and photos with Margaret and family in, but even just sending one my file is too large. I'll try to work out how to make it smaller!
In the meantime-Margaret Eastop b29.8.1851 Anniesland Glasgow, married 12.9.1869 Shoreditch, died 7.2.1929 Belvedere, Kent. Her husband, b 6.12.1847, Thornham? Norfolk, died 1934 Belvedere, Kent.
Margaret's parents were Thomas Eastop b around 1830 prob Glasgow married 31.12.1850 Glasgow, died 17.01.1906 Shoreditch, occ iron moulder. His wife was Janet Macaulay or McAulay b 24.02.1830 Govan, Glasgow. Died 22.01.1868 Hackney.
Thomas Eastop's father was called James died by 1869 no further details on the Eastops.
Janet Macaulay or McAulay's father was Alexander Macaulay b. 21.8.1802 Govan. Married before 1824 Govan Glasgow and was still alive in 1839. Janet's mother was Elizabeth Scott b 20.9.1803 Govan alive in 1839.
Alexander's father was Andrew McAulay a labourer who married Janet Hamilton on 12.2.1794.
Elizabeth Scott's father was Andrew Scott a weaver who married Jane Robertson on 11.9.1798.
When you've confirmed you've got this message , if you are interested I'll see what else I've got. Rev Richard Jones' descendents were one John Jones and Hannah Goodwin. Your/my relative strongly suspected that the Goodwins were related to Bishop Goodwin and that we were related to the Bishop's brother a 'gentleman'. I have more on that stored somewhere and some pictures of them too. If this is correct that would be a picture of our something like 12x great grandfather.
In any case, I am grateful to that relative for firmly establishing as much as he has-it must have taken a great deal of effort, travel and expense 30 odd years ago! I'm sure by now he may have more-I'll ask my parents who are in touch.
Did you have much success since your last post in May?
Regards,
Rina
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