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Hi Minksi, there might have been two Lauras but the one who married Lenard Small is the one I am talking about. They sometimes caled Laurel but  i think that was just the way travellers pronounced their words. You could ask Jimmy and Doris, they know a lot about family and especially some good old stories. 

Hi Minksi, sorry for my last very short reply, I used to have time for longer posts and more of them but these days I barely get chance to get on a forum. My granny was the daughter of Joe Penfold and Trainette Roberts, she died young and he remarried his cousin Caroline Penfold who was the daughter of Ocean and Henry Penfold, Robert Penfold was another brother. My grand father on the other side was the son of Joe Orchard and Martha Roberts, she too died young and he remarried a woman who was penfold by birth but who had been married to a gorja. I know your family, but wont mention names here. If you need any info ask, I might be able to help but there are other sites like Romanygenes and Romanyjib who are brilliant at helping with tracing ancestors.

Hi mintski, i am related to you in a coupple of ways. My grt grandfather was Joe Penfold who was Laura's brother their parents were Ned and |Racheal nee Holand and Brittania was a sister to two of my grt grandmothers, Trainette and Martha these were some of the children of Fred Roberts and Rebecca nee james. Try and let me know who you are i might Know you.

I am also descended from the William Packman family in Devon and there is question (in my mind) about his ancestry, we always knew him to be a Gorja and as Sally will corroborate he bought some good qualities to our family however his mother was Maryann King from the Kent area, I know there are Romany "Kings" in that area and I think there could be a possibillity that she had connections to Romanies. Funny that William himself allways gravitated toward Gypsies as his first wife was Charlotte Cooper a Gypsy, when his first marriage broke up he stayed with her family and came to Devon where he had relation with another romany before eventually settleing with Louise Orchard,