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Hello Louie Major,

I'm so excited to hear of your interest in the Cockcroft family of Ireland.  I think I've uncovered strong evidence that my line of Cockcrofts hail from Ovenden, England.  The earliest relative that we have learned of through family legend, is Matthew Cockcroft, who supposedly came from England to Ireland in the late 1790s as a member of the York Fencibles.  I've uncovered a birth record for him in Ovenden, a marriage certificate to a woman named Hannah Farnell and a court paper in which Hannah states that her husband is a soldier who has been serving in Ireland for three years. 

The Matthew who I think is my relative was born in 1762 to a Joshua.  I believe his mother was Betty Rothney, because his only sister is named Betty and there is a marriage certificate for them.  He also had a brother named Isaac, however, I've come to find out that Isaac died as a child.  I now think the Isaac who served alongside Matthew in Ireland is his cousin.  (It appears as though Joshua had a brother, who was born in 1732 and is also named Matthew.  That brother had a son named Isaac.)

Thanks to one of Sandra's posts, I believe we've identified the grave of Matthew's father, Joshua, his sister Betty (listed as Patty in the inscription) as well as a previously unknown brother named Thomas.  If you look at grave 250 and 251 in Sandra's "where are they buried" post, you'll see what I mean. 

Based on the info from the grave stones and some of the family trees on Ancestry.com, I think the family tree for my branch goes something like this:

1st generation:  Jonathan - born 1636 - married Judith Briggs
2nd generation:  John - born 1662 in Ovenden - married a woman named Mary - he died in 1717 and is buried in grave 250
3rd generation:  John - can't find his birth record but he married a Sarah (1696-1765) who is also buried in grave 250 - there is a relocation order for the family on line at the yorkshire historical society's website.
4th generation:  Joshua born 1731 - married either Betty Rothney or Mary Pickles, could have been both if Betty died shortly after marriage
5th generation:  Matthew born 1762 - married Hannah Farnell and had 5 children - Jacob - 1786, Sarah - 1788, Betty - 1790, John - 1792, and Sally - 1793

Matthew probably went to Ireland around 1794 or 1795.  Hannah had another child back in England with another man, so there may have been a divorce.  Matthew remarried in Ireland and had either 2 or 3 children...Robert, Matilda, and possibly a Jane. 

I'm sorry I've gone on and on.....  I hope the above information is correct, but there are a few gaps and there could possibly be errors.  I'd love to learn more about your Cockcroft family!


 

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Yorkshire (West Riding) Completed Requests / Re: where are they buried?
« on: Saturday 11 February 12 16:34 GMT (UK)  »
Dobby,

Thank you so very much for your help!  You and Sandra have given me so many great ideas and I've really enjoyed corresponding with you!  Please let me know if I can be of assistance with your research.

Cindy



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Yorkshire (West Riding) Completed Requests / Re: where are they buried?
« on: Sunday 29 January 12 15:09 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Sandra,
,
You and Dobby helped me a while back when I was researching my ancestor Matthew Cockcroft, who left England as a soldier and eventually settled in Ireland.  I have finally found a document that I think links the Matthew born in Illingworth in 1762 to my ancestor who ended up in County Down.  I also believe that my branch of the Cockcroft family from Ovenden is connected to yours in the following manner:

Matthew --  born 1762- father is Joshua according to the birth record (siblings are Betty born 1757, Isaac born 1760, Joshua born 1766)

Joshua - The only Joshua I can find born in the Ovenden area during the right time is the one  born in  1731 to a John.  I believe this Joshua is the one who is buried in the grave #250 or 251, that you mentioned earlier in this thread.  That Joshua mentioned on the gravestone (who is said to be the grandson of John born in 1659) died at age 70 in 1801, which matches perfectly with the Joshua born in 1731.   Furthermore, I think that Matthew's sister Betty is really the Patty buried in the same grave in 1760 (age 3)  and his brother Isaac is also buried there in 1760 at the age of 1)

John - I can't find the birth record for a John around 1690-1710 in the right area, however, you reference a John who marries a Sarah (born 1696) and is relocated with his family....including Joshua....from Spotland to Ovenden.  I think this John could be the brother of your Joshua born in 1685.  They would both be the offspring of the John born 1659 and died 1717.

I'm still trying to figure out why my Matthew mentioned that his family originated in the Flamborough/Bridlington area but I have a hunch.  If our Cockcroft family originated in the Wadsworth area could it be  possible that they are linked to the famous Caleb Cockcroft who married Elizabeth Oxenbridge and died in London in around 1645?  In his will, that Caleb left money to the poor men in Heptonstall and Wadsworth, so he may have been born in that area.  I've seen mention of a Caleb born to a Caleb in London in 1636.  I'm wondering what became of this second Caleb.  Perhaps he went to the Flamborough area at some point.  Since the elder Caleb (who married Elizabeth Oxenbridge) was a Merchant Adventurer, he would have been connected with shipping, so his son could have gone to a coastal town like Flamborough.  Plus there is at least one Caleb born in Flamborough in the 1700s.  It's a long shot, but one that I'm now trying to research!

 




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Hi, thanks for your post!  The first time I noticed the two names being used interchangeably is with the children of Caleb Crofton.  He has three sons born in Flamborough:  Richard, born 1717, Wiliam born 1713, and John born 1720.  All are born with the last name Crofton.  His daughter Mary is born in 1724 in Flamborough with the name Cockcroft. 

When Richard marries in 1742 there are two records:  one says Richard Cockcroft married Allis Bullock and the other says Richard Crofton married Alice Bullock.  I believe when John marries he also uses the last name of Cockcroft.

At first I thought this was just a case of spelling mistakes, however, when I look at census reports and birth/marriage records throughout the 1800s I see the same problem.   Sometimes the names will be one way on a census report and the other spelling is used 10 years later on the next report.  This is especially true for John Crofton (Cockcroft) born 1783 and his children, robert born 1811 and Frances (or Frankey) born 1813.  There's even a man born in 1823 whose name is either Crofton Warcup or Cockcroft Warcup.

The ultimate goal of my research is to identify which Cockcroft family my branch came from.  We can trace our history back to a soldier from England who went to Ireland around 1796 to fight in the rebellion of 1798.  The soldier's name was Matthew Cockcroft and he was reportedly from the Flamborough area.  However, we can not find any trace of him in the records for East Riding.  If there is a link between the Cockcroft and Crofton family then maybe I'll find our Matthew in the Crofton line!

Thanks for any info you can provide!


 

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Hi, I'm researching the Cockcroft family from Flamborough/Bridlington (East Yorkshire).  I'm starting to see some instances where individuals are listed under Cockcroft in one record and Crofton in another.  I'm wondering if anyone knows whether or not these two families are somehow related.

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The Common Room / Re: tcrengr's Scavenger Hunt... Everyone Welcome To Join In
« on: Sunday 13 March 11 23:10 GMT (UK)  »
No I haven't been able to figure out which Cockcroft family my Matthew came from.  If you have any information that would help me to understand where the family originated, I would be most grateful!!!  It seems like my family and I keep hitting the proverbial brick wall. 

Thanks so much for posting your message.  I look forward to learning more!!!


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The Common Room / Re: tcrengr's Scavenger Hunt... Everyone Welcome To Join In
« on: Thursday 12 August 10 23:58 BST (UK)  »
Just wanted to thank everyone for their participation in the scavenger hunt.  I have learned so much from all your feedback.  I've got tons of ideas of new places to search.  Will let you know if I ever find the elusive Matthew Cockcroft!!!

Thanks again!

C.

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The Common Room / Re: tcrengr's Scavenger Hunt... Everyone Welcome To Join In
« on: Wednesday 11 August 10 02:47 BST (UK)  »
Hi, sorry not to respond until now.  We had issues today with our e-mail account. 

Thanks again for all your input!  I'll try to answer some of the questions that have been raised.

#1  Regarding the children born to the Hannah and Matthew in Ovenden, I do not  see the girls (Betty, Sally or Sarah) after their baptisms. Also,  I have not been able to find their marriage records, so I'm not sure what name they would be using by the time of the 1841 census.  His son Jacob is also not in any of the later records, which is why I'm wondering if he is the Jacob Cockcroft who married in Ireland in 1806.  The other son, John or Jno, is hard to trace in the Halifax area because it's such a common name among the Cockcroft clan.  Essentially they seem to fall  out of the records after 1793. 

#2  There is an Isaac Cockcroft listed on the military records for Matthew's unit.  However, we think he was killed in the Battle of Saintfield because he falls off the paylists after the event.  Since the Matthew born in 1762 had a brother named Isaac, it seems like further proof that the Illingsworth Matthew is the one!

#3  Matthew has two children with his wife in Ireland:  Robert #1 and Matilda.  Matilda marries the manager of a local mine and moves to Canada or the U.S....she is never heard from again.  Robert #1 has three children:  Robert #2, Matilda, and Jane. 

#4  Matthew's family in Ireland belonged to the Church of Ireland.  They seem to be very religious people, occupying the 2nd row of the St. Marks church in Newtownards for almost 100 years. 

#5  I also struggled with why a man from a fishing town would join the army instead of the navy.  And why did he settle in a landlocked area of Ireland?   The first three generations of the family in Ireland had nothing to do with weaving, which seems strange if Matthew was from Halifax.   They do not appear to be farmers either.  As far as we know, Robert the 1st drove a "cab" in his later years and may have been a servant in his earlier life.  Robert #2 was a sawyer, who was killed in a mill accident when he was in his 30s.  After his death, his wife, Jane Gray, supported her four boys by doing needlework.  She supposedly embroidered a bedspread, which was given by Northern Ireland to Queen Victoria as a gift.  In short, their occupations don't seem to tie them to either East or West Riding!

I think the only way to prove that the Illingsworth Matthew is the correct one is to prove that he did not die in England.  I think I'm going to focus first on finding death certificates in England for him and Hannah.  I'm not sure what more we'll find in Flamborough...especially if he was baptized with a different first name.  I'll definitely try tracing the Cockcrofts in that area to see if they died in England.

You all have given me some great resources to check out   Thank you so much for sharing all your thoughts and ideas!

cindy 


 

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The Common Room / Re: tcrengr's Scavenger Hunt... Everyone Welcome To Join In
« on: Tuesday 10 August 10 01:25 BST (UK)  »
One more thought...

The Matthew Cockcroft born in Illingsworth in 1762 was the son of a Joshua (b: 1732) and he had a brother Joshua (b: circa 1759).  One of these men could be the Joshua who goes to trial in 1794.  The trial happened around the time Matthew joined the military.  I'll definitely contact the library and find out if they can do a look up to determine where Joshua was from and what crime he was accused of committing. 

Cindy

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