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Thanks very much Sandra for the reply.  Good to have info about Hilda and where the family lived.  Will contact the library to see if there is a death record for Florence.  Have a good Easter. 

Pat

Many thanks Carole W and Baby Boy.  After searching, the correct name was Robert Chapman.  The census for Lancashire also now makes sense.  I think that Sarah and her children moved to Norfolk after she was widowed and took up the post of housekeeper with Robert Pinner whom she later married.

The baptism records of the Pinner children were helpful as they confirmed the parents.  I have the birth certificate of the youngest Pinner daughter Alice born in King's Lynn, Norfolk and have now been able to confirm who she married and found her descendants.

Again, thanks.

Pat

Hi Andy

Thanks for the message about alternative spellings for Loates.  I have "lost" a family member.  My great grandfather Joseph Loates was one of the children of William Loates, a brother of Thomas who went to Australia.  William moved to London and married in 1859.  There were four children of the marriage.  William died a few months before the birth of his daughter Mary Jane in 1870 and his wife Mary Ann died in 1874 after contracting TB two years previously.

I am trying to find Mary Jane but without success.  The 1871 census lists her as Jane and the family living at 8 Broadwall, Christchurch, Southwark where the mother supported the family by working as a mangler.  The 1881 census lists Joseph as living with his uncle Fordham Loates in Camberwell before marrying and eventually moving to Hastings, Sussex. George, another brother, was an inmate at the Central London District School in Hanwell.  He had been placed there by the Christchurch Poor Law Union and went on to join the Royal Navy before dying in the Royal Naval Hospital, Chatham in 1894.

 I assume that Jane was also in the care of the Christchurch Union but can find no further census records. I have also looked up the bmd's for death and marriage but no luck.  I know that children were sent overseas, particularly Canada, by various institutions  for a new life  but I'm not having any success.  Did she return to relatives in Melbourn?

Any help and advice you can give would be very much appreciated as I would like to know what happened to her.

Thanks a lot

Pat

I am trying to find the birth record of my great grandmother Eliza Eva Hamilton, also information about her family.  She was married in June 1886 to Joseph Loates at Christchurch Camberwell.  Her age is given as 21 and this ties in with her death record of 1934 at Hastings where she is recorded as being 69 when she died.  I am assuming she was born in 1865 but can find no record under the name Eliza.

The marriage certificate shows her father as William Hamilton, a warehouse keeper, and the other witness as Alice Hamilton.  The address given is 5 Tustin Street Camberwell.  I have looked up the 1881 census and the family were at that address.  I cannot find an earlier census record for the family.

If anyone can help with my confusion and give me some pointers I would appreciate that very much.  Thanks,  Pat

Thanks Passed Master

Yes, Joseph Loates confirmed as living with his uncle Fordham.  I had difficulty reading the original census image but managed to read the address , did an address search and  found a transcription which had Loates transcribed as Coates.  Must be very frustrating for transcribers as some of the enumerators scripts very difficult.  Still trying to find William  1867 and Jane 1871 no luck at the moment.

Thanks for help at least I'm one step closer.

Pat