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Other Countries / Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
« on: Tuesday 20 September 22 03:31 BST (UK)  »
Hi, it's been some time since I have checked this site, but I am revisiting my research on the Day family and have found a reference on Ancestry to the "Child Apprentices in America from Christ's Hospital, London 1617-1788". The book is available digitally on Ancestry and when I checked the introduction to the book it details the sources used to compile the listing.

The item shows that John DAY was admitted in April 1742 and it reads "John Day, baptised 12 August 1733, son of John D., wax chandler, admitted from St James, Garlickhithe; 3 February 1748 to his mother Lydia D. to serve Mr John Holliday of Antigua, merchant."

With the date of admission in April 1742 I checked the burial register for St James Garlickhithe and found a burial for a John Day on 5 May 1741. Unfortunately there are no ages given in the Garlickhithe burial registers so I can't be certain that this is him but the fact that his son John was admitted so soon after to Christ's Hospital (or Bluecoats School) which was for fatherless children to get an education (among others) there is a good chance that this is John Day wax chandler.

https://search.lma.gov.uk/scripts/mwimain.dll/144/RESEARCH_GUIDES/web_detail_rg/SISN+54?SESSIONSEARCH this is the link to the research guide for the records.

The Children's Registers (CLC/210/F/003/MS12818); Presentation papers (CLC/210/F/004/MS12818A) are available on microfilm at the London Metropolitan Archives to view and I assume take copies of. The presentation papers contain petitions submitted by parents, guardians etc which provide personal and financial details of children's families.

I visited the LMA in 2019 but did not have this information at the time :(

I live in Australia and will not be getting to London again any time soon.  I wonder if there is someone who lives more locally who would be willing to go to the LMA to check this reference and get any copies available?

The Garlickhithe registers also detail a burial in 1750 for a Lydia DAY, and another in 1770 for a Lydia DAY, again there are no ages given so it is difficult to say for certain that these are relevant.
I did find a baptism for a Lydia DAY born to a John DAY and his wife Lydia in St Mary le Strand in 1730. The presentation papers may give details of siblings of John's that might help to clarify whether this baptism is within the same family. Other family burials in this register include Harbitt 10 Sep 1737 and Margaret 12 Jan 1738. (Harbitt was baptised at Garlickhithe in 1737 and Margaret was baptised also at Garlickhithe in 1735)

At this stage my hypothesis is that this Lydia (b.1730) is the elder sister of John (b.1733) and then that the Lydia that is buried in 1750 is the mother, wife of John DAY wax chandler and that the Lydia who is buried in 1770 is the daughter born in 1730 and therefore sister of John DAY of Antigua. John DAY and Lydia CARTER were married at St Nicholas, Leeds in Kent 27 Dec 1729. (Some indexes have it as Broomfield in Kent but the image I have is from the St Nicholas, Leeds, Kent Register, which could have been a chapel in the parish of Broomfield)

All this would indicate that John DAY of Antigua was the only member of the family to leave descendants.

I hope this adds some leads that can be followed up and add to the research.

Lorraine

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Australia / Re: Jules F Anseline, Mauritius, gold & slaves
« on: Sunday 03 February 19 05:30 GMT (UK)  »
Paul,
A pity but not unexpected. At least every avenue has been tried and we know probably as much as we are going to, unless someone in the family finds a box filled with treasures that fills in the gaps - I can dream!!!!

Thanks for passing on the info,

Lorraine

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Australia / Re: Jules F Anseline, Mauritius, gold & slaves
« on: Friday 23 November 18 03:57 GMT (UK)  »
Paul,

That was indeed my assumption, In view of the fact that he was admitted in 1874, I have extended the time period I was searching on Trove to try to find some sort of report of a mining accident.
While there are many mining accident reports I have not located that one. He could also have been in Sydney for some reason and met with an accident here, but I haven't found it yet. (I am still wondering why he was moved from Parkes - way out west for the time - to Sydney for treatment)

The other thing I have noticed is that the OCR text that is used for the Search on Trove is not all that good for this time and for the more regional newspapers.
It may require a systematic look through the newspaper pages to find some reference - or there may not be one.

It is a pitty the "Diagnosis" column was not filled in, that would have helped in identifying the health issue he had at the time. As you say he may have had some infection or desease that led to developing paraplegia - we may never know.

With reference to the Archives at St Vincent's, it may be a relatively recent development for the Archives and the assistance they are now able to give. Many places have only, in the recent past, realised the necessity to Archives their material. Thank goodness they are there and that they were so helpful.

Lorraine

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Australia / Re: Jules F Anseline, Mauritius, gold & slaves
« on: Thursday 22 November 18 09:01 GMT (UK)  »
Paul,
I remind you of a post I put on the Fate of Everest Anseline after time on 'The Vernon' on 4 Nov 2018 where I mentioned my email to St Vincent's Hospital Archives. Your response was basically not to hold my breath for anything at all.

This was my query to them:
           I am wondering if there are any records held from 1875. I have a reference to a
           Inland Letters from the NSW Government Gazette dated 14 September 1875 for
           Monsieur Jules Anseline addressed to St Vincent's Hospital.
           His death record shows he died at the Sydney Infirmary of PARAPLEGIA and had
           been in the hospital for 4 days on the 5 April 1876.


I got a reply on 7th November:
           The Hospital has an Admission Book 1862-1882. I have checked the entries from
           July 1875-April 1876, but have found no record of Mr Anseline, so he probably
           wasn’t a patient at the Hospital. We have no other records for the period.


I went back to the archivist with:
           I wonder if it is possible for you to check the admissions back as far as 1873 for Jules.
           We know he had a son born in 1874 so going back to 1873 should cover all possibilities.
           I am aware it is a long shot but I need to be sure.


Today I got an amazing reply:
           To my amazement I have found Jules Anseline in the St Vincent’s Hospital Admission
           Book 1862- 1882

           He is listed as patient 223 in 1874.

           He was admitted 20th September and discharged 14th December – relieved
           (there were 3 discharge categories – cured, relieved and died).

           Other details from the Register;

           Age 38; Town – Parke (Parkes?); Profession – Miner; Religion – Catholic;
           In the Colony - 20 years; Country of Origin – France;

           Doctor admitting – Dr Laure;

           The diagnosis column has been left empty – a block of about 20 are not filled in
           – so not specific to Mr Anseline.

           Dr Laure’s medical degree was from Paris, which may provide a link between St
           Vincent’s and Mr Anseline.

           He was a fee-paying patient and is twice listed in the Annual Report as having paid
           2 guineas (4 guineas in total) . The 1874 Annual Report lists the fees for those able
           to pay as 2 guineas on admission which covered 3 weeks and 14 shillings per week
           thereafter – so the fees paid would not seem to cover the length of his stay. 
           Unfortunately there are no other records from this period.


Needless to say I was pleasantly surprised to receive the information and have thanked her for the wonderful information she so quickly provided. Unfortunately I have no idea where he went between December 1874 and his death in April 1876.
I just had to share :o

Regards
Lorraine

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Australia / Re: Fate of Everest Anseline after time on 'The Vernon'
« on: Friday 16 November 18 22:12 GMT (UK)  »
Further observations after trawling through the newspapers and the reporting of the offences of Thomas NESTOR during the decade 1880-1889. The marriage of Thomas NESTOR and Julia ANSELINE took place in 1883, as we know.
My query comes from the fact that at no stage is the offender, Thomas, referred to as married. In fact in 1884 he is described as "A young man...sleeping in a stable...known to police for the past three years...of abandoned character, annoying respectable people...companion of thieves & women of abandoned habits..."

Is it possible that NESTOR who married ANSELINE is not the same Thomas charged repeatedly?

There are references: (1884) Thomas NESTER (21) baker & (1886) Thomas NESTOR (22) baker - as an aside Edward and John NESTOR were both described as bakers in various newspaper notices relating to their offences. (I saw at least one notice that had Thomas' surname written NESTOR and NESTER in the same paragraph)

While Thomas is shown as a plasterer on the marriage to Julia, he is shown as a baker on the birth of James Ernest in 1884 - more questions!!

Lorraine


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Australia / Re: Fate of Everest Anseline after time on 'The Vernon'
« on: Friday 16 November 18 10:31 GMT (UK)  »
A couple of observations where Thomas NESTOR is concerned.
     Looking at each and every one of the entries in the Gaol Description and Entrance Books on Ancestry for Thomas NESTOR between 1881 and 1887 revealed some notations. As mentioned by Paul the 1881 Police Gazette gave a description of Thomas as 18 years old and 5ft 5 in, slight and freckled. Calculated year of birth 1863. 

     As mentioned previously he was mostly sentenced to Darlinghurst. In March 1887 he is sentenced to 2 months - and is transferred to Parramatta Gaol in April and there is a description that reads he is 5ft 8in; slight build; sallow complexion; Black hair; brown eyes; R&W. If this is the same Thomas he would have been 24 by this time and appears to have grown a few inches (not surprising). His possible brother John is described on his Gaol photo in 1887 as being born 1867 (20 yrs) 5ft 8 1/2 in; brown hair; blue eyes. John's was a heftier sentence of 5 years for break, enter and steal.

     The Description on Thomas HYNES alias NESTOR in 1893 born 1867 has him at 5ft 5in; light brown hair, blue eyes plus tattoos.

Lorraine

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Australia / Re: Fate of Everest Anseline after time on 'The Vernon'
« on: Thursday 15 November 18 09:03 GMT (UK)  »
Paul,
Going through the research about Thomas NESTOR and his family it is clear to me that Thomas (born 5 December 1863 and registered in 1864) is the son of Thomas NESTOR and Catherine KELLEHER.
He had three brothers - John born 1862 died 1867; Edward born 1865 died 1930; John Patrick born 1868 died 1926; there was a sister, Catherine who was born and died in 1873.
Thomas senior had an earlier marriage to Mary DALEY who died in 1859 - from which there were two daughters, Bridget born 1852 died 1931 and Mary born 1858 (no marriage or death yet).
I believe his second wife Catherine died in 1876. I can find no further marriage.

The daughter, Bridget married Edward LAWLER (mentioned in the funeral notice for Thomas senior)

The family lived in Elizabeth Street; Castlereagh Street and Crown Street Sydney and the marriages and baptisms are held in the St Mary's Cathedral Archives accessed on Film at Society of Australian Genealogists.

We could suppose that the boys, left without a mother young were a little wild. There are gaol entry records for Edward and John Patrick as well as Thomas - again petty crime - only John appears to have a gaol photograph.
Edward and John both married eventually - Edward 1910 and John 1921.

Lorraine

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Australia / Re: Fate of Everest Anseline after time on 'The Vernon'
« on: Sunday 11 November 18 10:19 GMT (UK)  »
Paul,
The only suggestion I can make there is that usually when someone had a known alias the previous charges and gaol time served is added to the alias's "rap sheet". Since there is only one charge on Thomas HYNES' alias Thomas NESTOR's page I doubt that he is the same person who racked up quite a few petty charges - the other Thomas NESTOR.

Lorraine

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Australia / Re: Fate of Everest Anseline after time on 'The Vernon'
« on: Wednesday 07 November 18 22:25 GMT (UK)  »
Paul,
Thomas NESTOR is a bit of a problem, to say the least.
I checked through all of the entries for Thomas NESTOR Gaol entries and there appears to be a run of dates from 1880 to 1888 in Darlinghurst (in one instance the Thomas Nestor mentioned is transferred to Parramatta Gaol - 1887). Most of the charges were for riotous behaviour, bad language and assault.
These are all confided to the greater Sydney area. Looking at the date of birth for the first child of Julia, James would have been conceived some time around September 1887, Thomas was not in gaol between June and November of 1887.
We could speculate that Julia, realising she was pregnant, went back to her mother (possible)

The Thomas NESTOR alias Thomas HYNES was charged in Bathurst and sentenced to Bathurst Gaol for receiving. - this in 1893.
I checked Trove last night and happened across an entry in 1927 for the death of Thomas John HYNES (also known as Tom NESTOR) 61 years old. (I have tagged these newspaper notices with the name) but it was in the Sydney Morning Herald for 17 Sep 1927. The death index shows his parents as Michael and Charlotte, 21570/1927, Newtown. There is a birth registration for Thomas J HINES father Michael; Mother Charlotte in Redfern - 3363/1866
This Thomas HYNES married Hannah A DILLON in 1888 in Newtown.


From this I would suggest that the Thomas HYNES alias Thomas NESTOR is not the Thomas NESTOR husband of Julia ANSELINE. (The marriage of Thomas and Julia shows his parents as Thomas NESTOR and Catherine Taylor NORTH. (I am inclined to think that this Thomas is the one who died in 1888 - the gaol entries in Darlinghurst and Parramatta stop in February of 1888 - but there is not enough evidence to prove it from the records found so far)

Lorraine

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