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Travelling People / Re: Name the church
« on: Monday 14 April 14 11:20 BST (UK)  »
Due to serious ill health this will be my last posting on Rootschat.

The following Record offices and library have so far acknowledged receipt of the CD-ROM described above. Others may do so later although I will be unable to notify anybody.

Bromley Library (KT.BRO)
Cambridge (CAM)
Chippenham (WIL)
Reading (BRK)
Shrewsbury (SHR)
Wigston Magna (LEI)

It would be a good idea to check, in advance of a visit, to ensure that it is available.

TL

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Travelling People / Re: Name the church
« on: Tuesday 01 April 14 12:38 BST (UK)  »
The A to Z of Gipsy Genealogies (1,190 pages, approx 50,000 entries) a database on CD-ROM compiled by Terence Lee of Sedbergh, Cumbria.

Last year I deposited the regional divisions of my database (GLGI, EGI, NGI, SEGI, SWGI & WGI) at about 20 selected Record Offices. I have, since then, updated the full ‘unexpurgated’ edition which is 1,190 pages in length (too heavy to carry if printed) comprising mostly baptisms, marriages and burials for gipsies and travellers.

The difference is that the full version covers all of England and Wales and a little of Scotland. It means that you only have to visit one of the Record Offices listed below to see records of gipsies and travellers for the whole country.

The following Record Offices and libraries have been (or are about to be) sent the full and final version which can be viewed by anyone free of charge. It is just a matter of contacting the chosen Record Office to make an appointment (assuming appointments are needed). All Record Offices have their own set of rules which are designed to help visitors do research. In this case you simply ask if they have Terence Lee’s gipsy database, the full version

The first four are libraries. the remainder are Record Offices.

Aberystwyth (National Library of Wales)
Bexley Library (KT.BX)
British Library (processing time means it will not be immediately available here)
Bromley Library (KT.BRO)
Cambridge (CAM)
Canterbury (E.KT)
Chippenham (WIL)
Doncaster (YKS.DON)
Durham (DUR)
Gloucester (GLO)
Huntingdon (HUN)
Kendal (WML)
Leckwith (GLM)
Matlock (DBY)
Nothallerton (YKS.NLN)
Reading (BRK)
Shrewsbury (SHR)
Stafford (STF)
Wigston Magna (LEI)
Winchester (HAM)


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Travelling People / Re: george smith northamption
« on: Tuesday 18 March 14 12:23 GMT (UK)  »
SMITH baptisms
OX Epwell bp5/5/1795 Salavico s/o Moses/Lucretia, travs

WKS Tysoe bp9/9/1798 Vesse s/o Moses/Lucretia, travs

NTS Marston St Lawrence bp7/12/1800 Mary Ann Freery d/o Moses/Lucretia, vagrants

NTS Moreton Pinkney bp10/3/1805 Comfort d/o Moses/Lucretia, travs

OX Alkerton St Michael bp22/3/1807 Jasper s/o Moses/Lucretia, (noi)

OX Tadmarton bp19/2/1809 Clarence s/o Moses/Lucretia, (noi)

OX Tadmarton bp23/4/1811 Ansloe s/o Moses/Lucretia, travs, gipsies

WKS Brailes bp28/2/1813 Sophia d/o Moses/Lucretia, lab of B

OX Mollington bp15/4/1821 Arnold s/o Moses/Lucherette, bsk.mkr of Sulgrave

BDF Dunton bp19/5/1839 Silvanus s/o Moses/Lucretia, of Brington NTS

I have not yet seen the originals for Christopher, 1797 Wolford WKS; Thomas, 1812 East Sterndale DBY; or Rhode, 1815 Newnham NTS, although they seem to fit in nicely.

SMITH burials
WKS Tysoe br22/12/1846 (80) Moses, of T
WKS Tysoe br9/12/1856 (80) Lucretia, of Middle T

SMITH census
1851WKS-2076/629/13 Racoratia (Lucretia) [née SMITH] (72) pauper +4

SMITH Other
JGLS(3)24:126 Jasper SMITH relatives, Moses/Lucretia, by Winstedt

TL

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Travelling People / Re: george smith northamption
« on: Saturday 15 March 14 12:25 GMT (UK)  »
Here are the relevant SMITHs

STF Sedgeley All Saints bp16/1/1841 Nancy d/o -/Rhoda, of Ettingshall

STF Sedgeley All Saints bp16/1/1841 Rhoda d/o -/Rhoda, of Ettingshall

STF Pattingham bp12/3/1843 Valentine s/o George/Rhoda, bsk.mkr of Towcester NTS

STF Kinver bp23/3/1847 Emanuel s/o George/Rhoda, bsk.mkr, trav

STF Kinver bp19/3/1849 Silence d/o George/Rhoda, trav’g bsk.mkr

STF Pattingham bp29/1/1851 Ephraim s/o George/Rhoda, bsk.mkr of P

STF.DUD Kingswinford bp2/3/1853 Enoch s/o George/Rhoda bsk.mkr Gipsy enc’d Cole Lane

1861WOR-2058/103/48 George (40) cl.pg.mkr, Rhoda (40) +9

1871STF-2929/59/10 George (55) bsk.mkr, Rhoda (42) +8
1871STF-2929/59/10 Valentine (25) bsk.mkr, Merchina (BUCKLAND) (23) +3

1891STF-2307/9/11 Enoch (38) trav’g hkr, Polly (40) +1
1891STF-2455/99/33 Ephraim (35) pg.mkr, Elizabeth (29) +5

1901STF-2762/9/10 Emmanuel (40) bsk.mkr, Joanna (50) +1

They are linked to other SMITHs at the same parishes and census extracts so it is worth following them up.

The full piece number, for example, 2762/9/10 is made up of the piece number (2762) the folio number (9) and the page number (10). Sometimes, when looking at the original image, the foliio number is unseen because it occurs on the previous page and this leads to mistakenly calling the folio number the 'page' number.

There is nothing wrong with saying 'Ancestry'. If it is the source then you can quote the source without breaking any laws. Also, transcribing a census entry is not a breach of copyright although it is annoying if it is not transcribed accurately.

TL

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Travelling People / Re: smiths northamption midlands
« on: Tuesday 11 March 14 12:57 GMT (UK)  »
This has been answered in your previous posting about the same people.

See: zipporah smith married to hezikiah smith"

TL

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Travelling People / Re: george smith northamption
« on: Tuesday 11 March 14 12:51 GMT (UK)  »
You say that you have found George and Rhoda SMITH in the Northamptonshire census but I can find no trace of them in 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871 or 1881 in that county.

You need to say more so that helpers can go over your work and progress it.

TL

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Travelling People / Re: Chester
« on: Tuesday 11 March 14 12:36 GMT (UK)  »
BATES   
CHE Chester St John the Baptist bp30/1/1888 (b12/1) Ellen d/o Richard/Alice, lab of 3, Commercial Court

CHE Wilmslow St Bartholomew bp29/7/1888 Charles s/o Charles/Amy, hkr of Sandbach

1891CHE-2844/75/23 Isaac (34) cutlery grinder, Annie [née Gravalina BOSWELL] (34) +3

1901CHE-3329/108/1 Gravalina (44) gn.hkr +0

1901CHE-3341/165/45 Richard (37) trav’g hkr, Alice (37) +2 [BATE sic]

TL

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Travelling People / Re: question please regarding census.loveridge
« on: Tuesday 11 March 14 12:31 GMT (UK)  »
Do you require further information?

Were Montague and Alberta married at Melton Mowbray?

TL

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Travelling People / Re: WHITNEY and GUMBLE, Essex
« on: Tuesday 04 March 14 11:44 GMT (UK)  »
The following census extracts are relevant:

WHITNEY

1901MDX-1261/7/3 William (27) gn.lab, Alice (27) +2

1911HRT-Cheshunt, Sch 277, Henry (56) lab, Susan (54) William (38) Daniel (34) James (32) Ellen (21)

1911MDX-Edmonton, Sch 207, James (30) lab, Sarah Ann (31) Nelly Matilda (5) Florence Alice (9w)

The discrepancies are

1) Susan has replaced Matilda of 1881. The suspicious part is that although Susan is stated to have been married to Henry for 39 years the children given are four born and four alive, none deceased, which omits the other children.

2) James appears with his wife and two daughters as well as under his father's Schedule, in 1911.

3) Noah's dob is given in his death registration as born 3 August 1897 although the baptism at Orpington seems to have said b3/6/1897. His birth registration in S1897 would support either date.

Elijah snr died in 1857 so there was time for him to have had a son called Henry bc1852 and there is one Henry WITNEY registered Dunmow in J1853. Some of Elijah's other children were registered in Essex.

TL   

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