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Down / Re: Audley William Bestall b.1848/50
« on: Saturday 21 December 19 22:51 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Jill,

The one who died in the US was a George J Bestall, different man.

The death notice for George Augustus Bestall in Victoria refers to his father and two of his brothers.

Ray

Hi Ray,

I have read your post with great interest and all the details you have unearthed on the family history.

Agadowey on an earlier post (which somehow got high jacked by another member’s posting) on the subject 14 April 2019 suggested that George Augustus Bestall c1822-1902 died in Chicago? 

Do you have any evidence that your Australian George Augustus Bestall remarried and had three further sons was the same as my George Augustus Bestall?  I have never seen him placed in Australia.  Is there more than one George maybe?  If he arrived in Australia did he travel alone or with his motherless children?
Do you have a death certificate and does it match the date and place of birth with mine?

You think he died in a Melbourne suburb in 1892 but Agadowey thinks he died in Chicago in 1902.  I am confused?!

What do you think?

Jill

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Down / Re: Audley William Bestall b.1848/50
« on: Friday 20 December 19 12:25 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Jill,
George Augustus Bestall appears to have married a second time to Catherine Hearn or Ahearn after the death of Margaret nee Caldwell in 1861.
I haven't found the marriage.
In 1865 they had a son George in Prahran, a Melbourne suburb.  George died in 1918 in Oakleigh, another Melbourne suburb.
Another son William was born c 1870 (record not found).  He married and had children, and died in 1944 in Oakleigh.
Another son Augustus was born c 1874 (record not found). He died in 1904 in Fitzroy South, a Melbourne suburb, apparently unmarried.
George Augustus Bestall died in 1892 in Collingwood, a Melbourne suburb.  He had been a hotel licensee for some years.
Catherine Bestall died in Fitzroy South.
One of my relatives married a brother of George Augustus, Abraham, who died at Camolin, County Wexford.  He had been the medical officer and registrar at Camolin.
Regards
Ray
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Hello Ray,
How fascinating.  I would love to know more please?  Perhaps we’re related?
Tasmania!  He was last traced to the USA?! 
Jill.

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Down / Re: Audley William Bestall b.1848/50
« on: Friday 20 December 19 03:34 GMT (UK)  »
George August BESTALL ended up in Victoria, Australia with a second wife and three sons.
Let me know if you still need the details.
Ray Hayes
Tasmania, Australia


I have been trying to find Audley William John Bestall’s father George Augustus Bestall for many years but with no success.
However there was a posting before my post was split up regarding him.  Could you please send me that information and advise me how I might further look into his whereabouts and that of his ancestors?
Thank you.

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Australia / Re: Sarah Ann BEER - NSW (Braidwood 1874)
« on: Monday 26 November 12 06:13 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Judith,
Not that I have found, not in the 1841 or 1851 or 1861 census records.

John and Susanna married on 25 Dec 1826 at Trowbridge.

From the census records I have;

Rachel c 1828
James c 1829
Thomas c 1832
Benjamin 1833 - Came to NSW
Mary Ann 1835 - Came to VIC
Martha c 1838
John 1840 - Came to NSW

Births/baptisms for that period are not in the IGI, and I don't have access to those records, but if there was a Sarah I would have hoped to see her in one of the census records.

Regards Ray

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Australia / Re: Sarah Ann BEER - NSW (Braidwood 1874)
« on: Sunday 25 November 12 05:45 GMT (UK)  »
I am tracing some Deacon families from Trowbridge, Wiltshire, who may be related.
Mary Ann Deacon born Trowbridge in 1838 had a son John Henry Deacon before March 1864. John Beer born 1840 Trowbridge, parents John Beer and Susanna Deacon, came out to New South Wales late in 1863 on the "Coldstream". John paid for Mary Ann Deacon and her son John Henry to come out to NSW, and they married in 1864.  John Henry was known as John Henry Beer on later records so it appears he was John Beer's son.
John's brother Benjamin had come out earlier, in 1851, and paid for John to come out.
Their sister Mary Ann Beer married Simeon Long in 1855, and they came out to Victoria in 1856, Mary Ann died in 1895 at Macorna, and Simeon married Mary Emma Ovenden in 1896.
I would like to hear from anyone who has more information on the Deacon connections (I have quite a bit on the children of John Beer and Susanna Deacon, and their marriage date in 1826 in Trowbridge).



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Hi boudeccia,
I would like to know more about the family of William Hill Norton and Charlotte Mary Ann / Miriam Howman.
I have the names of eight children, including Wilfred Howman Norton who died in 1905, and I think William died in 1948 and Charlotte in 1951, but have nothing on their descendants.
Regards
Ray

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Hi GMJ,
I presume your parents are D and AM and you married MCJ?
I have been in touch previously with Charles' son Sean re the Howman families.
Regards
Ray

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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Re: Norwich Look up request BREED PLEASE
« on: Tuesday 03 January 12 22:38 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Carole,
Thanks very much for your reply.  I have that information and a lot more on the family, just trying to find out if they connect to my wife's Howman family or to other Howman families.
Regards
Ray

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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Re: Norwich Look up request BREED PLEASE
« on: Tuesday 03 January 12 05:10 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Hazel,
I am tracking some Howman families (my wife's maiden name) and I came across your post.
I have been trying to work out where Minnie's grandfather George fits in, he appears to be possibly a son od Thomas and Elizabeth Howman at West Bromwich in the 1861 census, but his place of birth is shown as West Bromwich when his birth registration appears to have been in Norwich.
Do you have details of George's family?
I had found the likely marriage of Minnie to Charles A Breed, and the possible second marriage to Robert K Long, and then your post from a search on Minnie Grace Howman.
Regards
Ray

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