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Durham Lookup Requests / Re: Will the real Mary Simpson please stand up
« on: Thursday 29 December 11 21:17 GMT (UK) »
Yes Wiggy and Alan and Janice I'm very happy with what we have found. Well done to all. Happy New Year!!!
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Durham Lookup Requests / Re: Will the real Mary Simpson please stand up
« on: Thursday 29 December 11 20:51 GMT (UK) »
Good catch Alan.
Wiggy, I'm willing to mark this thread Complete if you think we have learned as much as we can about Mary Simpson.
Yes, I've noticed that FamilySearch is especially that way.
BTW, what is this FindMyPast you are using? Sounds like a good resource.
Wiggy, I'm willing to mark this thread Complete if you think we have learned as much as we can about Mary Simpson.
Yes, I've noticed that FamilySearch is especially that way.
BTW, what is this FindMyPast you are using? Sounds like a good resource.
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Durham Lookup Requests / Re: Will the real Mary Simpson please stand up
« on: Thursday 29 December 11 15:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi Wiggy, I hope the jam got done 
The weren't entirely barren during the gap. I found two more girls on FamilySearch.
Hannah Simpson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 15 Oct 1809
christening: 21 Jan 1810 ESCOMB,DURHAM,ENGLAND
residence: 1809 Durham, England
parents: Richard Simpson, Elizabeth Hope
Barbara Simpson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 11 Jul 1812
christening: 25 Dec 1812 AUCKLAND SAINT HELEN,DURHAM,ENGLAND
residence: 1812 Durham, England
parents: Richard Simpson, Elizabeth Hope
The weren't entirely barren during the gap. I found two more girls on FamilySearch.
Hannah Simpson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 15 Oct 1809
christening: 21 Jan 1810 ESCOMB,DURHAM,ENGLAND
residence: 1809 Durham, England
parents: Richard Simpson, Elizabeth Hope
Barbara Simpson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 11 Jul 1812
christening: 25 Dec 1812 AUCKLAND SAINT HELEN,DURHAM,ENGLAND
residence: 1812 Durham, England
parents: Richard Simpson, Elizabeth Hope
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Durham Lookup Requests / Re: Will the real Mary Simpson please stand up
« on: Thursday 29 December 11 05:17 GMT (UK) »
You're right that would be too young. Yes, I have dates spinning in my head when I try to go to sleep (It's 12:12AM here now)
Here they are in the 1841 census
1841 Census, Auckland District
Family Number: 22683.4
West Auckland 1841, Etherley (HO 107/307/3/folio 53)
Richard Simpson, 50, Coal Miner, Y
Elizabeth Simpson, 60, Y
Ann Simpson, 15, Y
There is a Richard from St Andrew that was born in 1791 but the only other Elizabeth was born in 1779. That would put Richard at 16 and Elizabeth at 28 at the time of Mary's birth. Hmmm... Plausible I guess
OK I'm betting that Richard and Elizabeth are Ann's parents, but I wish I were sure. I'd like to put this one to bed. (and me too)
Here they are in the 1841 census
1841 Census, Auckland District
Family Number: 22683.4
West Auckland 1841, Etherley (HO 107/307/3/folio 53)
Richard Simpson, 50, Coal Miner, Y
Elizabeth Simpson, 60, Y
Ann Simpson, 15, Y
There is a Richard from St Andrew that was born in 1791 but the only other Elizabeth was born in 1779. That would put Richard at 16 and Elizabeth at 28 at the time of Mary's birth. Hmmm... Plausible I guess
OK I'm betting that Richard and Elizabeth are Ann's parents, but I wish I were sure. I'd like to put this one to bed. (and me too)
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Durham Lookup Requests / Re: Will the real Mary Simpson please stand up
« on: Thursday 29 December 11 03:41 GMT (UK) »
This looks like a likely prospect. But I can't find her in any census. Ralph is a recurring name.
Elizabeth Hope
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 18 Aug 1798
christening: 09 Sep 1798 AUCKLAND SAINT HELEN,DURHAM,ENGLAND
residence: 1798 Durham, England
parents: Ralph Hope, Jane Brownbridge
Elizabeth Hope
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 18 Aug 1798
christening: 09 Sep 1798 AUCKLAND SAINT HELEN,DURHAM,ENGLAND
residence: 1798 Durham, England
parents: Ralph Hope, Jane Brownbridge
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Durham Lookup Requests / Re: Will the real Mary Simpson please stand up
« on: Thursday 29 December 11 02:47 GMT (UK) »
We have found her, but I want to really tag her parent(s) and her date of birth or Baptism. I'm still not sure of any proof that her parent(s) are one or the other.
Elizabeth is a recurring name but not Richard or Margaret. Is that enough evidence to hang my hat on?
Elizabeth is a recurring name but not Richard or Margaret. Is that enough evidence to hang my hat on?
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Durham Lookup Requests / Re: Will the real Mary Simpson please stand up
« on: Wednesday 28 December 11 23:29 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Wiggy and Janice.
They show up in 1841,1851 and 1861.
There is another "Barbary" down the line. She was Barbara Ann Young (b.27 Dec 1861) Her nickname was Barbary. She emigrated To the US in 1887 with her husband William Robson and two children.
All that is well and good, but unless I'm missing something, am I not still stuck with the original dilemma?
I still need to know who to list as the parent(s) of Ann Simpson. (See my original post) Is she the one with both parents or is she the illegitimate one?
Thanks again for your patience and skill. Jim Robson
They show up in 1841,1851 and 1861.
There is another "Barbary" down the line. She was Barbara Ann Young (b.27 Dec 1861) Her nickname was Barbary. She emigrated To the US in 1887 with her husband William Robson and two children.
All that is well and good, but unless I'm missing something, am I not still stuck with the original dilemma?
I still need to know who to list as the parent(s) of Ann Simpson. (See my original post) Is she the one with both parents or is she the illegitimate one?
Thanks again for your patience and skill. Jim Robson
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Durham Lookup Requests / Re: Will the real Mary Simpson please stand up
« on: Wednesday 28 December 11 12:36 GMT (UK) »
Wiggy, Here are the two Mary's marrying the two Ralph's from FamilySearch:
Mary Simpson
England Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage: 14 May 1831 (Saturday) St. Helen-Auckland, Durham, England
spouse: Ralph Young
Mary Simpson
England Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage: 17 Apr 1831 (Wednesday) Auckland-St. Helen, Durham, England
spouse: Ralph Young
2zpool, Thanks for your input. The one in April was not listed as banns although there could be a transcription error, but we do know that there were two Mary Simpson's in the same parish. I looked up the day of the week for each date and listed them. I don't know if it was common to marry during the week. Banns are usually announced on Sunday. I can't imagine a coal miner getting a Wednesday off.
The child that I started with was William, although I am aware of Betsey (Elizabeth?) I can't prove which pair she is from. They are all from Auckland St Helen parish. It does look "Hopeful" that they are from the family in 1941 but it begs the question as to what happened to the other Mary & Ralph. What other questions can I answer?
Thanks again to you both.
Mary Simpson
England Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage: 14 May 1831 (Saturday) St. Helen-Auckland, Durham, England
spouse: Ralph Young
Mary Simpson
England Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage: 17 Apr 1831 (Wednesday) Auckland-St. Helen, Durham, England
spouse: Ralph Young
2zpool, Thanks for your input. The one in April was not listed as banns although there could be a transcription error, but we do know that there were two Mary Simpson's in the same parish. I looked up the day of the week for each date and listed them. I don't know if it was common to marry during the week. Banns are usually announced on Sunday. I can't imagine a coal miner getting a Wednesday off.
The child that I started with was William, although I am aware of Betsey (Elizabeth?) I can't prove which pair she is from. They are all from Auckland St Helen parish. It does look "Hopeful" that they are from the family in 1941 but it begs the question as to what happened to the other Mary & Ralph. What other questions can I answer?
Thanks again to you both.
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Durham Lookup Requests / Re: Will the real Mary Simpson please stand up
« on: Wednesday 28 December 11 04:55 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Wiggy, your suggestion raises another dilemma. I have now noticed that there are two Mary Simpson's that married a Ralph Young at the same parish and within a month of each other. This further complicates the search. 