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Hi Sue

Vanessa suggested I might have more to add.  At this point I have to say that most of my information going back to the late 1700s and early 1800s has come from IGI records.  There are precious few other records to go by;  those that lived past 1841 are usually (but not always) to be found in census data.  To some extent with the Pardoes their family names are a clue, passed down through the family, but there are a lot of common names in different branches of the family, the usuals such as William, John, Joseph, James, Thomas, George, Samuel amongst the males and Jane, Ann, Elizabeth, Betty, Sarah amongst the women, to just mention a few.  I have a little verbal ancestral data but almost all these sources are no longer available.

I believe Joseph Pardoe 1758 and Jane Brook 1761 had 12 children with some names recycled for chidren that died young.  There were 2 Bettys, 2 Williams, John, George, Mary, Jenny, Joseph, Elizabeth, Thomas and Richard, born in the years between 1782 and 1804.

I have had a look about for your names.  You mention Jane Pardoe 1833 married to James Freeman- what is the source for this one?  The nearest Jane I can find was the daughter of John Pardoe 1802 and Jane Foxall 1801 and she was christened in April 1834.  Is this she?

I see where you come from with Ann, christened 27 April 1777.  Jane would have been abouit 16 then and they were not married until 4 years later; I dismissed this for that reason.  Equally there was a Joseph Pardoe born 29 May 1814 but Jane would have been 53 by now and, though not impossible, I made the decision he was not in this family either.  It could well be that they are both in the same family and Jane bore 14 children.  Equally there could be two Joseph Pardoes and Janes and there could be two famililies which I have mixed!  Eventually, with nothing more to go on, who knows?

I do not know if this is any help.  It would be interesting to follow your thoughts on all this.

Regards

Arlen

Thanks, Cember, for your information.  I will follow these up.  Didn't they have large families!

Best Regards

Arlen

Hi Linell
Some good information in your postings, thank you.  I presume you have the full books of the notes of the Rev Thompson - all I can find on the net are extracts.  Maybe I should get copies from the Cradley Links bookshop.

William Crampton was born about 1778 and married Phoebe Whorton in 1803.  Going further back is more difficult and there is the confusion of Crampton or Crumpton as the surname.  It may be that William's parents were John Crampton and Eleanor Arnold but I cannot be sure of this. I believe Phoebe's parents are William Whorton and Sarah, again I am not sure.  So, while I am sure there is common ground here, there is nothing definite (yet!)

Your second posting is full of references to members of my tree.  Henry Crampton 1805 married Mary Winnall 1807 in 1836;  he died in 1850 leaving her to bring up the family of 8 children. Mary was one of ten children to John Winnall ? and Elizabeth Heathcock 1786 so the three ladies mentioned will be her sisters.  I will follow these up.  Mary is a gg grandmother.  It also looks as if Elizabeth and Phoebe are twins;  maybe this is noted in the original Parish Records, rather than the transcripts or indexes.

John Bloomer 1807 is a gg grandfather.  He was married twice, first to Ann Dunn who bore their sons Philip 1834 and Caleb 1832.  He married Eliza Wyatt in 1838 and they had 11 children in total.  The Rev. Thompson certainly fleshes out the lives of people and what is amazing to us now is how young children were working as nailers and chainmakers. In the 1871 census John is a Rate Collector.  One area of research for the future is to find when John died (somewhere between 1871 & 1881) and where he was buried.  I know Eliza was still living in 1901 and now 1911 is out I can find if she died between these dates.

My maternal grandmother Louisa 1882 was the daughter of Phoebe Bloomer 1848 and John Crampton 1846.  They had seven children altogether and one was Jane Crampton 1869 - she photographed well as you can see here.

Thanks for the extra information

Regards

Arlen

Hi Vanessa
I have a lot of pictures of my father's generation but he did not get his father's photographic collection, that went to his elder sisters then their children and are now lost as far as I know. He was, I know, quite disappointed not to get them and of all the descendants of William 1862 I am the only one who has kept the line going, having two sons and two grandchildren.  Such is life.
William built three studios that I know of.  He had one when they lived in Vicarage Road, a timber building, and built another in timber when they moved to 179 High Street Lye in the early 1900s.  The final move to 175 High Street resulted in a more substantial brick building which is still there, albeit derelict.  As his business tailed off in the 1920s Bill Pardoe took over the building, renting it from his father and eventually purchasing it from William's estate in 1943.  I have a picture of the interior of the building in 1929 but it does not show anything of the photographic studio. 
There is also a picture of the house at 175 High Street in 1917 with Gertrude Pardoe standing in the doorway.  In the lower left corner of the photo there is a display case and I have added a close up - it shows men in uniform, an important part of the business during the first world war taking pictures of loved ones going off to fight.
In your list of siblings of Richard 1802 there should be two Williams.  William 1795 died 19 February 1798 and the next male child born later that year was also named William.

Regards, Arlen

Hello Vanessa,
you are doing eveything right.  I managed to sit down with both my mother and mother-in-law years ago and got them talking about relations.  This was before the internet and before computer programs, although these were useful later on.  Just get anything written down.  It may not always make sense at the time but even now, 25 years later, I look at the notes I made talking to my mother and see something new.  With the information I now have, from the internet and email correspondances, I would dearly love to go back and ask more questions but it is too late.  I do very much value what I did get at that time.  I know of people who have taped what their parents have to say - it always amazed me how much they could remember.  I have to scurry back to my computer to remind myself, maybe that's an age thing!

As far as putting it all together, there are a number of aids out there.  My Heritage is freely available.
http://www.myheritage.com/family-tree-builder

I started off using Brothers Keeper
http://www.bkwin.org/

I now use Family Tree Maker, a program you have to buy (though they do include access to Ancestry data for various lengths of time).  It all comes down to choice and what suits you. 

There will be other free programs out there as well.  Any of them will store your data and display a family tree for you, though as you add more people it will get quite complex. They will all be able to export a Gedcom file to use in other programs.

I would also encourage you to keep records for your sources of information.  I have scanned all the written notes I have, saved all the emails and kept a personal copy of all the census and IGI materials found online.  At first I printed them out but that became unmanageable (and expensive!) so I now keep electronic copies of everything.  It is then always there to consult again later.  Backups are also important!

Good luck
Arlen