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Cornwall / Re: Elizabeth TRENEWTH - brick wall, any help welcome!
« on: Thursday 12 November 09 14:46 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Galium on Tuesday 27 January 09 13:33 GMT (UK)
The Registers of Seamen's Services (National Archives) shows a William Trenouth HURRELL born in 1824 at Plymstock,Devon.

It is just possible that he is a child of Elizabeth's first marriage - if you take into account the rounding down of ages in the 1841 census.  Elizabeth is shown as 30, but could be 34, which would make her about 18 when William was born.

William Tremouth Hurrell married Martha Thompson in Jun quarter of 1847.

An avenue to explore perhaps?

Thanks to Devon FHS, it looks like some light is shed on the Hurrell connection.

In June 1824, Elizabeth Trenouth married John Ball Hurrell in Plymstock; William Trenouth Hurrell, parents John & Elizabeth, was born 3 months later in the same parish. There are no other Elizabeth Trenouths marrying a Hurrell in their records so that must be my connection. In 1798, a John Hurrell married Elizabeth Ball, also in Plymstock - assuming a family tradition of giving the first born son his mother's maiden name as a middle name, this would make the 1798 marriage 1824 John's parents and John the eldest son.

John Ball Hurrell died in July 1829; Elizabeth Hurrell went onto marry John Penligan in 1832, giving birth to my 3 x great grandmother, Emma Jane Penligan, in 1835.

William Trenouth Hurrell also ended up in the Coast Guard, moving to Norfolk and then on to Lincolnshire. He married Martha Thompson in 1847 and named his eldest daughter Emma Jane, the same as his half sister in Devon. After Martha's death he then remarried Eliza Laws in Lincolnshire in 1884, dying in 1896 at the age of 71.

Sadly none of this helps with precisely *who* Eliizabeth Trenouth was :( Since she was born outside Devon and I don't know where, my brick wall is firmly in place. According to Ancestry, there is a large cluster of Trenouths in the St Columb/Padstow area of Cornwall but I don't know where to turn next.

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Cornwall / Re: Elizabeth TRENEWTH - brick wall, any help welcome!
« on: Wednesday 04 November 09 20:24 GMT (UK)  »
Maidmarian and Galium - sorry I'm coming back to this so late, I tend to work on this in fits and starts and forgot where I'd posted.

Marian, that death in Woolwich is, I think, John Penligan's 3rd wife. In 1881 they were living in Beer in Devon where he'd been Coastguard chief officer but now retired, he died 1885. The first Elizabeth's daughter, Emma, was living in Bermondsey, her son was drowned in 1873 (I've just discovered) and the 2 children of John's second wife were in Hull, so I think Elizabeth no. 2 must have moved to London when John died.

Galium, thanks for that - it's an avenue for sure, isn't it?

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Cornwall / Re: Elizabeth TRENEWTH - brick wall, any help welcome!
« on: Monday 29 December 08 21:00 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: toni* on Monday 29 December 08 20:50 GMT (UK)
could it have just been a mark rather than a tick?

There are Trenowth and variants in Cornwall on the OPC site, but i cannot say for sure that Elizabeth is yours
have you tried http://www.cornwall-opc.org/index.htm

I agree it looks like a tick when compared with the others.

I have looked at the OPC site but to no avail. If there really is a northern connection, I'll have to have a bit of a rethink I guess. Thing is, would that suggest an actual Scots or Irish family or simply a Cornish family travelling? Not a common name north of the border as far as I can see...

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Cornwall / Re: Elizabeth TRENEWTH - brick wall, any help welcome!
« on: Monday 29 December 08 20:46 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: krisesjoint on Monday 29 December 08 20:20 GMT (UK)
Another thing I notice, which would make me wonder if there is in fact a Cornish connection to Elizabeth is with that 1841 census entry. As well as N (No not born in County) there is also a tick in born under whether born in Scotland, Ireland or Foreign Parts, although the Country is not specified. The enumerator seems to have used the F for entries where the person was born outside the UK but only a tick for those born in Scotland or Ireland.

Cheers Kris  :)

I'd never noticed that before! Wow, a Scottish or Irish connection? Any bright ideas where to start looking there then?

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Cornwall / Re: Elizabeth TRENEWTH - brick wall, any help welcome!
« on: Monday 29 December 08 20:42 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Kris

I'm 99% certain that she was widowed as, on her son's birth certificate, she is listed as Elizabeth Penligan, late Hurrell, formerly Trenewth. Devon FHS already sent my their transcript pf the parish record for the wedding which doesn't actually seem to list her marital status at the time of marriage

In fact it seems that John Penligan married 3 times, always to widows, so I'm having much the same issue with all of them except the last who is well into civil registration period. However, I'm descended from his eldest daughter, born to Elizabeth, so obviously my primary interest lies in her.

John Penligan is also proving difficult to trace prior to civil registration; I can't find a baptism (dob ca. 1809) and although there is a marriage in 1803 between a John Penligan and Mary Turner, I have no corroboration for my supposition that they are his parents. There is also a Catherine Penligan who married in 1840 and a Mary Penligan, age 50, who was in service in Maidstone in 1861 - possibly sisters? Again no luck with corroboration. Ho hum

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Cornwall / Elizabeth TRENEWTH - brick wall, any help welcome!
« on: Monday 29 December 08 19:35 GMT (UK)  »
Hello there,

I'm a newbie to this forum and registered in the hope that someone might be able to help me with a brick wall I've hit. I'm trying to find out about my 4 x great grandmother

Elizabeth Trenewth was born around 1810/1811. When she married my 4 x gt grandfather, John Penligen, in Plymouth in 1832 her surname was Hurrell, so presumably she had previously been married and widowed. In the 1841 census she was living in Plymouth with her 2 children, Emma Jane and Frederick John Trenewth Penligen. However, John Penligen married again in late 1845 so Elizabeth must have died by then and, presumably, sometime that year as John was at sea and was left with 2 young children.

My problem is I can't find out anything more about Elizabeth Trenewth - I can't find who her parents or siblings were, her marriage to Mr Hurrell or his death, or even her death. As the 1841 only lists her birthplace as out of county, I don't even know where she was born (except with that surname I am assuming Cornwall) which is proving an even greater hindrance to further research (as I'm in Switzerland, I'm rather tied to research I can do online).

If anyone can help me out or point me in the direction of other places to search (I think I've exhausted ancestry, and google isn't getting me very far) I'd be extremely grateful. Thanks a million in advance!

ETA: I don't know if it helps, but her son, Frederick John became a captain in the RN and his entry at the National Archives names him as Frederick John Tremouth Penligen...

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