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Denbighshire / Re: PARRY Families 1700s - Rhiwlas, Llansilin, Llangollen
« on: Wednesday 25 September 24 16:05 BST (UK)  »
Gadget
The will of Simon Parry - signed 7 April 1761 at Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog - names his nephew  - Richard Parry - as being of Blaen y Rhiwlas.  The property named Tyn y Fron.
I believe that Richard Parry (Simon's nephew) - (of Rhiwlas) - was buried at Llangadwaladr - 18 Oct 1764.  Edward Parry who married Anne Roberts in 1761 -and some of his children - of Llansilin Parish - are buried at Llangawaladr - where his father Richard I surmise - was first buried in 1764.
Simon Parry was buried at Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog 28 May 1762. 
That will of Simon - also mentions that Richard Parry (his nephew) - has a son - Edward Parry.
"I give and bequeath to Edward Parry son of the above named Richard Parry the sum of five pounds ....."
I would like to take that Edward Parry - to be the father of my 4x gg - Richard Parry born 1769.
Edward Parry married Jane Roberts 19 May 1761 at Llansilin.
Simon Parry is not so common a name - and in trying to link him to a wider Parry family - I came up with that will of a John Parry 1729 wherein he gives a brother - Simon.  I have not been able yet to come up with more to make that connection.

The Simon Parry will of 1761 - also mentions - arrangements for his funeral - in case he should die at "Llwyth - tere" - which I suspect to be Llwythder-isaf / uchaf - Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog parish.

You have given me a lot to work on.  Not easy in the pre 1754 era - and an area having to deal with patronymic names.  Thank you so much for being so generous with your help here.

As an aside:
I have not mentioned - that I have researched a family from Corwen / Carrog / Mwstwr - Merionethshire.  Corwen records (Llangar) not easy to work with.
It is an example of the creation of a Parry dynasty.  Henry ap Robert married Margaret verch Edmund.  His will of 1706 names his children.  His wife's will of 1728 brings an update to the 1706 information.  His daughter Elizabeth spinster in her will of 1758 again brings info up to date. Nine children who become Parry.  Most have marriage bonds and wills - wealthy yeoman.  A son Edward Parry owned property at Llantysilio - Pen y Bryn.  And a son - Simon Parry.  And a granddaughter - Catherine Oliver - who marries a John Parry of Llangollen Fawr - this John Parry who dies intestate as John Parry Jnr - a carpenter -in 1729 - not the same John Parry of 1729 / 1730 as discussed earlier.
So you see - a whole Parry clan from Corwen - with tantalising links into Llangollen - and I tried to use that Simon Parry as a way to connect him and his nephew Richard Parry - to my Edward Parry person.  But NONE of the Merionethshire Parry wills ever mentions a nephew / son - Richard !
Only that one will of a Simon Parry of 1761.

Lindsay



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Denbighshire / Re: PARRY Families 1700s - Rhiwlas, Llansilin, Llangollen
« on: Wednesday 25 September 24 02:30 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Gadget
When Richard Parry inherited the property Tyn y Fron / Rhiwlas in 1762 from his 'uncle' Simon Parry - would that have been enough reason for there to be probate when he died in 1764 ?
I did not find a will for him.
Tithe map of 1843 still records Richard Parry as being the owner / occupier - even though in 1841 - the property occupants are Hugh and Catherine Hughes.
The only possible baptism of an Edward Parry to a father Richard that I found:
Richard Parry and wife Mary (cannot find a marriage):
At Llangollen:
Edward - son of Richard Parry of "Havod Gynfawr" - baptised 11 Apr 1735.  Son John in 1737.
Hafod-y-Gynfawr - is a locality or a property name in 1735 ?

The St Asaph notitiae - all 654 images.  Is there a way to navigate that to the town you want ?
You once pointed to Llansilin in that file - but the link no longer works.
And is it a transcript that was produced -  Parochial notitiae for St. Asaph Diocese, 1681-7 / Clwyd Family History Society - a booklet ?  The only library copy in Australia is in Melbourne.

Too many questions ? 
Greatly appreciate contributions.
Lindsay

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Denbighshire / Re: Welsh marriage licences
« on: Monday 23 September 24 14:56 BST (UK)  »
Boo... Thank you for correcting me that you can download those images.
Lindsay

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Denbighshire / PARRY Families 1700s - Rhiwlas, Llansilin, Llangollen
« on: Monday 23 September 24 02:17 BST (UK)  »
My 4 x gt grandfather - Richard Parry - has his baptism recorded at Llansilin in 1769 - as Rhiwlas - to parents Edward and Ann.  (He married in Shropshire in 1792).
I have Edward Parry marrying Anne Roberts at Llansilin in 1761 - by banns - they both X.
Trying to work out this Edward Parry.
The will of Simon Parry in 1761 - of Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog - gives a property Tyn y Fron (Rhiwlas) - to his nephew Richard Parry of Rhiwlas Blaen.  A bequest also to the son of that Richard Parry - Edward Parry.  I would like to think that this Edward Parry is 'my' Edward Parry.
I know that Simon Parry was buried at Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog in 1762, but in 1745 he was a Church Warden at Llangadwaladr, and his nephew - Richard Parry - was buried at Llangadwaladr in 1764.
The will of John Parry of Llandynan in 1729, mentions his three brothers - Edward, Philip and Simon.  John Parry is buried at Llangollen in 1730.
The assumption is that one of these brothers or this family - is the father to Richard Parry who died in 1764.  And that this Richard Parry is the father of the Edward Parry who married in 1761.
I have these few jigsaw pieces, but can't put them into an ancestry.
Any thoughts ?
Lindsay

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Denbighshire / Re: Welsh marriage licences
« on: Monday 23 September 24 01:51 BST (UK)  »
FamilySearch has the original documents microfilmed.  You can view online and download.  You need to know the year and diocese and the date.  It is fussy to find the one you are looking for - a typical volume will have 100s of images, and there can be more than one volume for a year, but split into date sections like Jan - Jun.  You can search for the actual marriage bond you want - either at the National Library of Wales - or at FamilySearch - which will give you the bare minimum - their names, the diocese, and the date.  I prefer to use the Library of Wales search to find the basic transcript ,and if I then want to see the actual document - I have to go to FamilySearch.
Lindsay

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Shropshire / Re: Marriage for John WINDSOR and Ann, Welshampton.
« on: Wednesday 30 January 19 23:50 GMT (UK)  »
The marriage licence for John Winsor (sic) has him as a servant.
The co-signatory to that licence was Charles Woodcock - in the document named a Gentleman.
Charles Woodcock was himself married in 1809 at Tarvin - again by licence - and in that document he is named as a Farmer - of Guilden-Sutton.  (His marriage signature matches the John Windsor licence document signature).
With John Windsor at Welshampton being an Agricultural Labourer - might it be the case that in 1809 he was in that occupation at Guilden-Sutton ?
Was the term 'servant' considered a bit more classy than Ag Lab ?
John Windsor being originally of Hanmer - in that era - in the Diocese of Chester - is able to get a licence if he had been working in the area for some time with the support of Charles Woodcock ?

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Shropshire / Re: Marriage for John WINDSOR and Ann, Welshampton.
« on: Wednesday 30 January 19 02:19 GMT (UK)  »
The 1841 census location of Beaumere I suspect is Balmer Heath - in the burial records for this family - it gets shown as Balmer.
The Windsor families in this area using the Welshampton church - may well be from Hanmer, Flintshire.  The Windsor names baptised at Hanmer in the 1780s can be found as burials at Welshampton.
The John Windsor baptised at Hanmer 29 Feb 1784 to parents John & Margaret has the family location as being Bettisfield.  The same locality as Balmer Heath.
This doesnt answer your question as to the marriage of John Windsor and Ann - but when you see a 'cousin ?' - Francis Windsor (1784) - of Hanmer - marrying at Ellesmere in 1808 - and his burial is at Welshampton in 1749 (being of "The Balmer") - you are seeing a few pieces of this family jigsaw.
Cheers
Lindsay

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Shropshire / Re: Eastwick - near Ellesmere - a Locality or a Township
« on: Wednesday 09 January 19 06:41 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Kay for a map that at least shows Eastwick in 1874.
From that map it seems that the 2.5 miles from Ellesmere is more accurate than Genuki with their 1 mile.
(And so close to Overton / Flintshire - which now has to be considered in my research.)
The 30yo Randle Jones you mention in the 1871 census - was the son of John Jones - who was the 'reputed' son of John Jones 1772 - 1840.
The brothers John Jones 1772-1840 and Randle Jones 1778-1841 - left substantial bequests in their wills - with the 'reputed' son John Jones born in Chester inheriting the bulk of their combined estates.
Both the brothers had died at Gadlas - with at least one of their tanneries being at Eastwick.
The 1841 census has the newly arrived John Jones as a 35yo Tanner (thanks to his inheritance) - at Eastwick - whereas in the wills dated 1840 - he was noted as being a Joiner and Carpenter of Chester.  Randle Jones had died in March 1841 - and the 1841 census was early June.

Lindsay


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Shropshire / Eastwick - near Ellesmere - a Locality or a Township
« on: Tuesday 08 January 19 05:13 GMT (UK)  »
Can some local knowledge please advise re Eastwick "a township in Ellesmere parish".
Genuki has :
" EASTWICK, a township in the parish of Ellesmere, county Salop, 1 mile from Ellesmere."

But Edward Cassey & Co - History Gazeteer and History of Shropshire has:
"Eastwick is 2 and a half miles north-west from Ellesmere and contains 503 acres.  In this parish is an extensive tannery, the property of Mr Randle Jones."

The 1841 census has numerous families - both agicultural and tradesmen - as being at Eastwick.  Including at least two shoemakers.
So it is more than just a locality name I assume ?

Modern maps only get me to Eastwick Farm when I search for "Eastwick" - and even looking at old maps - I dont see it as a "township".

My John Davies born about 1730 - a corviser / corvisor (boot and shoemaker) - may have located himself there due the leather tanning in that area.
Curious that this trade is closer to the source material - than to his customers ?

John Davies burial record of 1777 at Ellesmere has him as being 'of Eastwick".

His two children were baptised at Ellesmere with their location being noted as being of Eastwick - and his daughter Mary Davies (1771 - 1838) - as Mary Parry - retired to Eastwick from Chester in her last years - and her Ellesmere burial record has her as being of Eastwick although the death certificate has her death at Dudleston Heath.

Lindsay / South Australia

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