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Antrim / Re: 3, Maryville Street, Belfast
« on: Saturday 12 March 16 18:44 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for that link.
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Antrim / Re: 3, Maryville Street, Belfast
« on: Saturday 12 March 16 17:20 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I'm fairly sure that that's Eliza's family in 1911, and I have them in 1901, further along, at 39 Roden Street, but Eliza isn't with them on either occasion (we have her in 1901, of course, married and with John + son in Conduit Street)
I wasn't sure if Florence May and Norman Richard (who are just listed as grandchildren of householder Elizabeth Semple) were the children of John, or of his brother William, who was also at 9 Auburn Street on the night of the census, and also said to be married.
I suppose that it's perfectly possible that both brothers, with attendant children, just happened to be visiting their widowed mother on the night of the census - but this doesn't explain the different addresses for John and Eliza at the time of Kathleen's birth (24 April 1906) ??
Got excited about that death for Eliza, until I realised that it was 14 months before Kathleen was born!
Even after she ended up in Scotland, Kathleen was creating various little mysteries of her own.....
I wasn't sure if Florence May and Norman Richard (who are just listed as grandchildren of householder Elizabeth Semple) were the children of John, or of his brother William, who was also at 9 Auburn Street on the night of the census, and also said to be married.
I suppose that it's perfectly possible that both brothers, with attendant children, just happened to be visiting their widowed mother on the night of the census - but this doesn't explain the different addresses for John and Eliza at the time of Kathleen's birth (24 April 1906) ??
Got excited about that death for Eliza, until I realised that it was 14 months before Kathleen was born!
Even after she ended up in Scotland, Kathleen was creating various little mysteries of her own.....
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Antrim / Re: 3, Maryville Street, Belfast [SEMPLE and MORROW]
« on: Saturday 12 March 16 14:54 GMT (UK) »
I should have emphasised the surnames SEMPLE and MORROW
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Antrim / Re: 3, Maryville Street, Belfast
« on: Saturday 12 March 16 14:26 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that, aghadowey - I hadn't noticed that I was in the wrong section! Topic moved.
The child involved was Kathleen Semple, born 24 April 1906 at 3 Maryville Street, Belfast (I have entry) Her father was John Semple of 9 Auburn Street, Belfast, her mother was Eliza Semple, formerly Morrow, who signed the register, and gave her address as 3 Maryville Street.
John Semple and Lizzie (sic) Morrow had married at St Anne's, Belfast on 6 February 1900. John's address was 9 Auburn Street as above (the Semple family home) Lizzie's address was her parents' home at 39 Roden Street.
In the 1901 census, the young couple were living at 11, Conduit Street, with their 7 month old son John.
By the time of the 1911 census, John Semple was back at 9 Auburn Street, with his widowed mother, several siblings, his son John + two other children who may or may not have been his - Florence May (7) and Norman Richard (5) So far, no sign has been found of either Eliza/Lizzie under Semple or Morrow, nor of Kathleen who would have been aged 5. No obvious sign in Scotland, either, although Kathleen ended up there in later life. No death found for Eliza at relevant period.
Possibilities including death of Eliza, and Kathleen living with other family members but why were parents' addresses different on her birth entry? - possible separation, or what
Any help gratefully received!
The child involved was Kathleen Semple, born 24 April 1906 at 3 Maryville Street, Belfast (I have entry) Her father was John Semple of 9 Auburn Street, Belfast, her mother was Eliza Semple, formerly Morrow, who signed the register, and gave her address as 3 Maryville Street.
John Semple and Lizzie (sic) Morrow had married at St Anne's, Belfast on 6 February 1900. John's address was 9 Auburn Street as above (the Semple family home) Lizzie's address was her parents' home at 39 Roden Street.
In the 1901 census, the young couple were living at 11, Conduit Street, with their 7 month old son John.
By the time of the 1911 census, John Semple was back at 9 Auburn Street, with his widowed mother, several siblings, his son John + two other children who may or may not have been his - Florence May (7) and Norman Richard (5) So far, no sign has been found of either Eliza/Lizzie under Semple or Morrow, nor of Kathleen who would have been aged 5. No obvious sign in Scotland, either, although Kathleen ended up there in later life. No death found for Eliza at relevant period.
Possibilities including death of Eliza, and Kathleen living with other family members but why were parents' addresses different on her birth entry? - possible separation, or what
Any help gratefully received!
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Antrim / Re: 3, Maryville Street, Belfast
« on: Monday 29 February 16 22:52 GMT (UK) »
Ah, thanks for that! No occupation or further detail in this entry, but I'll look for J. McWilliams in the 1901/1911 censuses tomorrow, when my brain is functioning a bit better, and that might give me some clues.
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Antrim / 3, Maryville Street, Belfast
« on: Monday 29 February 16 21:05 GMT (UK) »
Can anyone help me find who was living at 3 Maryville Street, Belfast c. 1906, please? - or could it have been a hospital/nursing home?
I found a child being born there, plus that also given as mother's address. Mother was married (marriage entry found) and had several other children with her husband, who is also named as the father of the 1906 child - but whose address was elsewhere in Belfast.
They could have been separated, of course, but would be good to find out the background.
Any suggestions gratefully received!
I found a child being born there, plus that also given as mother's address. Mother was married (marriage entry found) and had several other children with her husband, who is also named as the father of the 1906 child - but whose address was elsewhere in Belfast.
They could have been separated, of course, but would be good to find out the background.
Any suggestions gratefully received!
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Perthshire / Re: Perth Prison
« on: Saturday 24 January 09 17:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Jessie,
Still not sure of the conventions around using this chatroom, so have sent you some info in a private message.
Let me know if you manage to dig up any more info on William!
Janice
Still not sure of the conventions around using this chatroom, so have sent you some info in a private message.
Let me know if you manage to dig up any more info on William!
Janice
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Perthshire / Re: Perth Prison
« on: Friday 23 January 09 12:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Jessie,
Still thinking of possible options, will get back to you later tonight!
Janice
Still thinking of possible options, will get back to you later tonight!
Janice
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Perthshire / Re: Perth Prison
« on: Thursday 22 January 09 17:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Jessie,
Don't worry about the codswallop !- I find this system a little bit confusing too - never sure what is a new message and what is the bit I'm trying to reply to!
Anyway, it had nothing to do with the seriousness of the crime - at that period, Perth was the General Prison for Scotland, and, once sentenced, people seemed to get shunted there from all over the country. I also had a (female) family member there in the 1860s, from Aberdeenshire - have also come across folk from the Borders, etc..
If you go on to this webpage for the Archives -
http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue
Type in William Thomson, and tick the box for 'Phrase', go down the date section and enter a fairly generous likely period, then hit Search.
If you don't tick Phrase, you'll get hundreds of pages with William Smith and Robert Thomson
, etc., featuring !
I've just tried this from 1862 - 1882, and got 15 Persons and 86 Catalogue entries, none of which look correct on a quick look, but you could maybe spend more time on it?
If you get hold of a likely entry, hit on the Reference at the left-hand side, and it should come up with more details. A lot of the entries, by the way, are of Sequestration proceeedings ( bankrupcy) so not likely to be your man, I woldn't think.
If you do come up with a reference, and want to know more, let me know, and I'll check next time I'm in West Register House, where the legal archives are held. [Could be a couple of weeks or so, though, so hope you're not in a hurry.]
Janice
Don't worry about the codswallop !- I find this system a little bit confusing too - never sure what is a new message and what is the bit I'm trying to reply to!
Anyway, it had nothing to do with the seriousness of the crime - at that period, Perth was the General Prison for Scotland, and, once sentenced, people seemed to get shunted there from all over the country. I also had a (female) family member there in the 1860s, from Aberdeenshire - have also come across folk from the Borders, etc..
If you go on to this webpage for the Archives -
http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue
Type in William Thomson, and tick the box for 'Phrase', go down the date section and enter a fairly generous likely period, then hit Search.
If you don't tick Phrase, you'll get hundreds of pages with William Smith and Robert Thomson
, etc., featuring !
I've just tried this from 1862 - 1882, and got 15 Persons and 86 Catalogue entries, none of which look correct on a quick look, but you could maybe spend more time on it?
If you get hold of a likely entry, hit on the Reference at the left-hand side, and it should come up with more details. A lot of the entries, by the way, are of Sequestration proceeedings ( bankrupcy) so not likely to be your man, I woldn't think.
If you do come up with a reference, and want to know more, let me know, and I'll check next time I'm in West Register House, where the legal archives are held. [Could be a couple of weeks or so, though, so hope you're not in a hurry.]
Janice
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