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I am trying to find the birth of a Dorothy Eleanor Randall, whose death certificate records that she was born on 25 May 1891 in Bidborough, Kent. Her first marriage was to a Richard Henry Tate but we cannot trace this marriage. It may have been in Australia since this is where her child was born.  The marriage certificate for her second marriage, as Dorothy Eleanor Tate to Cecil Petley (Oct 16th 1919 in Deal) gives her fathers name as Charles Randall, a farmer. I would be very grateful for any help that anyone can give. This is my brick wall!!

Hi there. I have the marriage certificate back from the GRO. It shows that the second marriage was of Dorothy Eleanor Tate to Cecil Clive Petley. The marriage took place on Oct 16 1919, so we now know that she returned to the UK between Pamela's birth in 1913 and 1919. I have also learned that Pamela was also sometimes called Dot. On the marriage certificate Dorothy is described as a widow so perhaps Capt Richard Henry Tate died in Australia between 1913 and 1919.

The marriage took place in Deal in Kent. Dorothy's father's name is Charles Randall (occupation Farmer) so we can assume this was her maiden name. Only just started by search but so far no luck. Her age at marriage was 26 so we are looking at a birth between 1891 (on death certificate) and 1893 (marriage certificate). I'll keep searching at this end - for her birth and travel to Australia

Thanks again for your help. We understand your concern. We have now found Pamela's death record. She died in 1990 in Hastings, Sussex. Her name then was Pamela Farmen. She married for the third time in 1978. Interestingly on the deather certificate her date of birth is given as 9 Jan 1913, not 9 Jan 1916 as stated in her passport. Her son remembers that she had difficulty in obtaining a passport because she did not have a birth certificate. It is for her son that I am doing this research. A big thank you for all your help from John, the son!

The Mother's second husband was Cecil Petley - married 1919 Eastry, Kent.

I only found and applied for the certificate for this second marriage this morning - it will take 4-5 days to arrive. As I said I am hoping that this will provide details of the father of Dorothy (the mother) who married Richard Henry Tate. With her maiden name I stand more chance of finding their marriage - here or in Australia!