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Hi everyone just wanted to wish you all a very Merry and safe Christmas  , I am still working on my Smith / Packman line
but without all of your help I would not be where I am today, which is not much further than you guys put me 
I just want to know how other researchers manage to trace their trees back to Adam and Eve ?   ( well i might exaggerate a little but you get my meaning ) I am trying to find 1700s marriages and births that are even older than the settlement of my country, Its mind blowing  will post them soon as it might help someone else, cheers Ellie

Hi again Tiggy, I found a much later connection between Packman and Jeffrey on the census. George Packman and Eliza Jeffrey are the children of Thomas Packman and Keturah ( Anne ) Wiffin / whiffen

     Household:

 Name     Relation    Marital Status    Gender    Age    Birthplace    Occupation    Disability
 George PACKMAN      Head      M      Male      59      Farnborough, Kent, England      Farmer & Wood Dealer 40 Acres 13 Men      
 Eliza JEFFERY      Sister      W      Female      54      Bromley, Kent, England      Housekeeper      
 Eliza MILLS      Servant            Female      17      Chelsfield, Kent, England      Dom Serv General

Glad to hear you girls will adopt me, How about a new mobile and some $ then, don't want pounds got enough of them

I found another web site with my branches info on it,
I borrowed the following from it, I figure seem she is a Rellie she wont mind  She knocked it off from the Oxford dictionary of names anyway     I am beginning to like this gypsy connection 

Packman
Occupational name for a peddler or hawker, One who carried his pack of goods for sale with him.
English and Jewish ( Ashkenazic )
Occupational name for the servant of someone called Pack. English
( Variation of 1: Jewish Pakentreger from Yidish pakn-tregar, pack carrier. )
source : Oxford Dictionary of Surnames

I will keep an eye out on my travel's for the surname Jeffrey
and anything else I come across that might be of interest
cheers Ellie

Oh Tiggi, don't worry you and Barbara can always adopt me
if it turns out I don't belong here 
The following is what I have just found,  ( not my work  )
but I managed to find other descendants who posted the following    Check out no 7    without Barbara and you, I would not have found all this, I would be still procrastinating.
Now what do you think Tiggi could they be related to your Packman ?

1. Keturah1 WHIFFIN was born in 1798 in Farnborough, KEN, ENG. She married Samuel Packman, son of Samuel Packman and Sarah Monk. She became a widow upon the death of her husband Samuel Packman in 1847. She died in 1864.

Samuel Packman was born circa 16 Oct 1785 in Cudham, KEN, ENG. He died in 1847.
Known children of Keturah1 WHIFFIN and Samuel Packman were as follows:

2 i. George2 Packman was born on 8 Jun 1821 in Farnborough, KEN, ENG. He married Martha (--?--). He died on 25 Feb 1885 Cudham, KEN, ENG, at age 63.
Martha (--?--) was born in 1834 in High Littleton, SOM, ENG. She became a widow upon the death of her husband George Packman on 25 Feb 1885.

3 ii. Henry Packman was born in 1823 in Farnborough, KEN, ENG. He married Eliza Butler in 1853. He became a widower upon the death of his wife Eliza Butler before 1881. He died in 1893 Bromley, KEN, ENG,. (September Quarter).
Eliza Butler died before 1881.

4 iii. Edward Packman was born in 1825 in Bromley, KEN, ENG. He married Ann (--?--). He became a widower upon the death of his wife Ann (--?--) before 1891. He died in 1902.
Ann (--?--) was born in 1819 in Eynsford, KEN, ENG. She died before 1891.

5 iv. Eliza Packman was born in 1827 in Bromley, KEN, ENG. She married (--?--) Jeffrey.
(--?--) JEFFREY died before 1881.

6 v. Samuel Packman was born in 1829 in Bromley, KEN, ENG. He married first Louisa Clark in 1852. He became a widower upon the death of his wife Louisa Clark on 11 Dec 1887. He married second Julia Booth in 1888. (Bromley Registration District June Quarter 1888.). He became a widower upon the death of his wife Julia Booth in Aug 1895. He married third Martha Elizabeth Sims on 28 Mar 1896. He died on 11 Aug 1909 Bromley, KEN, ENG.
Louisa Clark was born in 1832 in Cudham, KEN, ENG. She died on 11 Dec 1887 in Cudham, KEN, ENG.
Julia Booth was born on 14 Nov 1844 in Putney, MDX, ENG. She married first (--?--) Batey. She died in Aug 1895 in Cudham, KEN, ENG, at age 50. (Died in an accident on Westerham Hill).
Martha Elizabeth Sims was born in 1847 in Marlybone, London, ENG. She became a widow upon the death of her husband Samuel Packman on 11 Aug 1909. She died in 1922.

7 vi. Elizabeth Packman was born in 1831 in Bromley, KEN, ENG. She married Reuben Smith.

8 vii. Emma Packman was born in 1833. She died in 1836

9 viii. Lucy Packman was born in 1835 in Bromley, KEN, ENG. She died circa 27 Dec 1835.

10 ix. Matilda Packman was born on 3 Sep 1840 in Bromley, KEN, ENG.

cheers Ellie