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Hello Barry

Perhaps you are already aware of the following but if not, even though the date and place of birth for George do not match the 1881 census, they may be worth further investigation:

1851
HO107  Piece 2408 Folio 81 Page 44     
118, Ballast Hills, All Saints 
Sinclair, Robert, Head, Married, 39, Waterman, born Ballast Hills 
Sinclair, Mary A, Wife, Married, 38, born Ballast Hills 
Sinclair, Mary A, Daughter, 10, born Ballast Hills 
Sinclair, Hannah, Daughter, 4, born Ballast Hills 
Sinclair, Robert Son, 2, born Ballast Hills 

1861
RG09 Piece 3832 Folio 66 Page 32     
Days Buildings, East Ballast Hills, All Saints, Newcastle Upon Tyne 
Sinclar, Robert, Head, Married, 49, Waterman, born Newcastle, Northumberland 
Sinclar, Hannah, Daughter, Unmarried, 16, born Newcastle, Northumberland 
Sinclar, Robert, Son, Unmarried, 13, Scholar, born Newcastle, Northumberland   
Sinclar, George H, Son, Unmarried, 5, Scholar, born Newcastle, Northumberland 

Ivan

Sorry Niglor

My e-mail isn't working properly so I didn't get the notification of your posting about the PM message. Has the information been duplicated?

Regards

Ivan

Sorry John

I didn't see your posting.

Ivan

Hello Sammy

A free search of the 1911 census reveals a son William Hayes living with a Sarah Ellen Hayes in St Helens.

Another free search shows 2 possibilities for a Sarah Ellen Hayes living in the same house as a William Hayes. One Sarah Ellen was born c1875 and the other c1887 (but her surname is HEYES). Was your Sarah Ellen born c1875?

A free search for Annie living with Sarah Ellen gives one result - she was born c1898. Is this when your Annie was born?

If the data matches it might be worth looking at the transcript or a scan of the 1911 record although you would have to pay.

Ivan

Hello Kirstie

Getting these was a bit of a struggle although they seem be worth following up:

1871
Hampden Road, Christchurch 
Payn(e), Launcelot, Head, 26, Ag. Lab., born Hampreston, Dorset 
Payn(e), Caroline, Wife, 30, born Paddington, Middlesex 
Payn(e), Caroline, Daughter, 5, Scholar, born Lambeth, Surrey 
Payn(e), Alice, Daughter, 2, born Isle of Wight, Hampshire 
Payn(e), Fanny, Daughter,  3(?) months, born Pokesdown, 
Hawkins, Alfred, Lodger, 28 born Dorset 

Births 4Q 1844   
Wimborne Vol. 8 Page 156
Payne, Lancellett Joseph   

1881
123, Livingstone Road, Hove 
Payne, Charles*, Head, Married, 37, Labourer (G), born Bournemouth, Hampshire
Payne, Caroline, Wife, Married, 40, born London, Middlesex 
Payne, Alice, Daughter, Single, 12, born Ryde, Isle of Wight, Hampshire 
Payne, Fanny, Daughter, Single, 10, born Bournemouth, Hampshire 
Payne, Minnie, Daughter, Single, 7, born Newport, Isle of Wight, Hampshire
Payne, Ellen, Daughter, Single, 5, born York Town, Surrey 
Grayson, Daniel, Lodger, Single, 62, Labourer (G) born Romsey, Hampshire 
Snelling, George, Lodger, Single, 22, Labourer (G) born Bognor, Sussex 
Harrison, Thos, Lodger, Single, 43, Labourer (G) born Hertford, Hertfordshire 
Harrison, George, Lodger, Single, 42, Labourer (G) born Hertford, Hertfordshire
Small, Samuel, Lodger, Single, 28, Labourer (G) born Devon 
Jones, George, Traveller, Single, 50, Labourer (G) born Durham   
RG11 Piece 1098 Folio 132 Page 58     

(*Note: I believe that the name “Charles” has been incorrectly entered on the census return. This seems to be the same family as 1871 and 1891)

1891 census
18, Caroline Road, Wimbledon 
Payne, Lancelot J, Head, Married, 48, Navvy Railway Ballast, born Wimborne, Dorset 
Payne, Caroline M, Wife, Married, 50, born Paddington, London 
Payne, Fanny Gertrude, Daughter, Single, 20, General Servant, born Bournemouth Hampshire 
RG12 Piece 605 Folio 109 Page 75     

Marriages 1Q 1866   
Lambeth Vol. 1d Page 361   
Downing, Elizabeth   
Lucas, John     
Payne, Lanceet     
Salter, Caroline M

Fanny and Ellen Payne feature in the 1911 census (both married by then) and have specific connections with the Offord children Florence and William which leads me to believe that although the marriage record for George and Minnie refers to Minnie’s father as being “Joseph” it seems probable that he was in fact “Lancelot Joseph”.

Just like Trish, I cannot trace definitively George Offord before 1901 although there are possibilities.

Regards

Ivan