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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Gooch
« on: Friday 22 November 19 22:54 GMT (UK) »
Ah that's great. I'd really like to know, so await your news anon. Thank you!
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Gooch
« on: Friday 22 November 19 22:42 GMT (UK) »
I would love to know if your Nan (Joyce) remembers her grandmother Margaret Gooch (nee Murray), and if she can remember what type of woman she was, her likes and dislikes, and if she ever talked about growing up in Dublin, and if she ever talked about her parents Edward Murray and Alice Hayden.
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Gooch
« on: Thursday 21 November 19 21:54 GMT (UK) »
Margaret Florence Gooch married Herbert Knight. There are 4 entries in the Birth Index for surname Knight and mother’s name Gooch:
Enid, born 2nd Qtr of 1918 in the reg district of Eastbourne, Sussex.
Norah, “ 1st Qtr of 1925 in the reg. district of Bishops Stortford, Herts.
Dennis C, born 2nd Qtr of 1926 in the reg. district of Birmingham South.
All these children seem to have survived.
Robert J, born 4th Qtr of 1943 in the reg. district of Petersfield, Hampshire
(this one seems unlikely as the mother would have been aged
51 when the child was born).
Ethel Maud Gooch married William Christopher Oldfield. I could not find any children born to Ethel and William. I understand that William died in the war (this information from TeePee1976). Ethel died in the 4th qtr of 1964 at Withington Hospital in Manchester. She was a widow at this time and lived in King Street, Manchester. Her Will was published in the 4th qtr of 1964, and this showed she left £321 to Vera Davies. I suspect this may have been her sister who may have re-married.
Edwin Murray Gooch
The 1911 Census entry seems to read Edward Henry Gooch. Edwin married Florence White. The records show that Edwin and Florence had 2 children:
Gerald P. Gooch, born 2nd Qtr of 1927, registered in Bishops Stortford, Herts.
Eric A. Gooch, born 2nd Qtr of 1929, again reg. in Bishops Stortford, Herts.
These children seem to have survived.
Violet Priscilla Gooch married Mario I. Cerutti. Violet and Mario had 3 children:
Doris Louise, born 3rd Qtr of 1920 in the reg. district of West Derby, Lancs.
This child died on 16 May 1921, age 8 months, at her home in Toxteth Park.
Her Death Cert showed she was the daughter of Mario Cerutti, a motor wagon driver.
Her mother Violet was the Informant and was present at the death. Doris Louise died
from Bronchitis Convulsions.
Joan E, born 4th Qtr of 1921 in the reg. district of Toxteth Park, Lancashire.
Marian, born 1st Qtr of 1924 in the reg. district of Liverpool, Lancashire.
James Victor Gooch married Florence M. Black. The Birth Index shows the following 2 children:
Evelyn J. Gooch, born 2nd Qtr of 1930 in the reg. district of Liverpool, Lancs.
Eric V. Gooch, born 2nd Qtr of 1934 in the reg. district of West Derby, Lancs.
These children seem to have survived.
Gladys May Gooch married James Murthwaite. The Birth Index shows the following children:
Enid M, in the 3rd Qtr of 1926 in the reg. district of West Derby, Lancs.
Sydney J, born 2nd Qtr 1931 in the reg. district of West Derby, Lancs.
Doris, born 3rd Qtr of 1940 in the reg. district of Liverpool Nth, Lancs.
These children seem to have survived.
Note that Enid M went on to have 3 children. Sydney J has 3 children, and Doris has 4 children.
Elaine Rachel Gooch
Aline (Eileen) married James William Gorst. Her name on the Marriage Index was down as Eileen R. Gooch. They appear to have had 2 children:
Colin E, born 4th Qtr of 1936 in the reg. district of Crosby, Lancashire.
Margaret Caroline, born 4th Qtr of 1937 in the reg.district of Crosby, Lancs.
This child died, aged 20 months, in the 3rd qtr of 1939 at
the General Hospital Waterloo in the reg. district of Crosby,
Lancs. Her home was at Manor Avenue, Great Crosby.
Her Death Cert shows that her father James William Gorst was
the Informant (and in attendance), and his occupation was
shown as Ship’s Quartermaster, Merchant Service. Cause of
death was cardiac failure, and tuberculous meningitis. At the time that
Aline Rachel was the Informant at the death of her father in the 2nd qtr
of 1944, she was residing at Cavendish Road, Great Crosby.
Walter Sidney Gooch
I checked the Marriage Index and the only entry in the Liverpool area was in 1931 to Maude Richardson. It appears from the Birth Index that they had 2 children:
Charles E. Gooch, born 4th Qtr of 1932 in Liverpool.
Alan Gooch, born 3rd Qtr of 1947 in Liverpool North.
Both these children seem to have survived.
Vera Teresa Gooch married Bernard O’Hara. I checked the Birth Index, but Vera and Bernard don’t seem to have had any children. Vera appears to have moved to live at Manor Avenue, Great Crosby, with her mother, and was the Informant at her mother’s death there on 29 May 1944.
Additional information:
The U.K 1939 Register shows the following members of the Gooch family living at 14 Monastery Road, Liverpool:
Margaret Gooch (nee Murray), her husband Robert Gooch, her son Walter Sydney Gooch, her daughter Veronica O’Hara (Vera Teresa), and her son-in-law Bernard O’Hara.
Please note that I gave you the wrong birth year 1867 for Margaret Gooch (nee Murray). This should have read the 4th qtr of 1866.
Question:
Can I assume that your Nan is Evelyn J. Gooch (daughter of James Victor Gooch) ?
Does the J stand for Joyce?
Hope your Nan is going to have a great 90th birthday !!!
Enid, born 2nd Qtr of 1918 in the reg district of Eastbourne, Sussex.
Norah, “ 1st Qtr of 1925 in the reg. district of Bishops Stortford, Herts.
Dennis C, born 2nd Qtr of 1926 in the reg. district of Birmingham South.
All these children seem to have survived.
Robert J, born 4th Qtr of 1943 in the reg. district of Petersfield, Hampshire
(this one seems unlikely as the mother would have been aged
51 when the child was born).
Ethel Maud Gooch married William Christopher Oldfield. I could not find any children born to Ethel and William. I understand that William died in the war (this information from TeePee1976). Ethel died in the 4th qtr of 1964 at Withington Hospital in Manchester. She was a widow at this time and lived in King Street, Manchester. Her Will was published in the 4th qtr of 1964, and this showed she left £321 to Vera Davies. I suspect this may have been her sister who may have re-married.
Edwin Murray Gooch
The 1911 Census entry seems to read Edward Henry Gooch. Edwin married Florence White. The records show that Edwin and Florence had 2 children:
Gerald P. Gooch, born 2nd Qtr of 1927, registered in Bishops Stortford, Herts.
Eric A. Gooch, born 2nd Qtr of 1929, again reg. in Bishops Stortford, Herts.
These children seem to have survived.
Violet Priscilla Gooch married Mario I. Cerutti. Violet and Mario had 3 children:
Doris Louise, born 3rd Qtr of 1920 in the reg. district of West Derby, Lancs.
This child died on 16 May 1921, age 8 months, at her home in Toxteth Park.
Her Death Cert showed she was the daughter of Mario Cerutti, a motor wagon driver.
Her mother Violet was the Informant and was present at the death. Doris Louise died
from Bronchitis Convulsions.
Joan E, born 4th Qtr of 1921 in the reg. district of Toxteth Park, Lancashire.
Marian, born 1st Qtr of 1924 in the reg. district of Liverpool, Lancashire.
James Victor Gooch married Florence M. Black. The Birth Index shows the following 2 children:
Evelyn J. Gooch, born 2nd Qtr of 1930 in the reg. district of Liverpool, Lancs.
Eric V. Gooch, born 2nd Qtr of 1934 in the reg. district of West Derby, Lancs.
These children seem to have survived.
Gladys May Gooch married James Murthwaite. The Birth Index shows the following children:
Enid M, in the 3rd Qtr of 1926 in the reg. district of West Derby, Lancs.
Sydney J, born 2nd Qtr 1931 in the reg. district of West Derby, Lancs.
Doris, born 3rd Qtr of 1940 in the reg. district of Liverpool Nth, Lancs.
These children seem to have survived.
Note that Enid M went on to have 3 children. Sydney J has 3 children, and Doris has 4 children.
Elaine Rachel Gooch
Aline (Eileen) married James William Gorst. Her name on the Marriage Index was down as Eileen R. Gooch. They appear to have had 2 children:
Colin E, born 4th Qtr of 1936 in the reg. district of Crosby, Lancashire.
Margaret Caroline, born 4th Qtr of 1937 in the reg.district of Crosby, Lancs.
This child died, aged 20 months, in the 3rd qtr of 1939 at
the General Hospital Waterloo in the reg. district of Crosby,
Lancs. Her home was at Manor Avenue, Great Crosby.
Her Death Cert shows that her father James William Gorst was
the Informant (and in attendance), and his occupation was
shown as Ship’s Quartermaster, Merchant Service. Cause of
death was cardiac failure, and tuberculous meningitis. At the time that
Aline Rachel was the Informant at the death of her father in the 2nd qtr
of 1944, she was residing at Cavendish Road, Great Crosby.
Walter Sidney Gooch
I checked the Marriage Index and the only entry in the Liverpool area was in 1931 to Maude Richardson. It appears from the Birth Index that they had 2 children:
Charles E. Gooch, born 4th Qtr of 1932 in Liverpool.
Alan Gooch, born 3rd Qtr of 1947 in Liverpool North.
Both these children seem to have survived.
Vera Teresa Gooch married Bernard O’Hara. I checked the Birth Index, but Vera and Bernard don’t seem to have had any children. Vera appears to have moved to live at Manor Avenue, Great Crosby, with her mother, and was the Informant at her mother’s death there on 29 May 1944.
Additional information:
The U.K 1939 Register shows the following members of the Gooch family living at 14 Monastery Road, Liverpool:
Margaret Gooch (nee Murray), her husband Robert Gooch, her son Walter Sydney Gooch, her daughter Veronica O’Hara (Vera Teresa), and her son-in-law Bernard O’Hara.
Please note that I gave you the wrong birth year 1867 for Margaret Gooch (nee Murray). This should have read the 4th qtr of 1866.
Question:
Can I assume that your Nan is Evelyn J. Gooch (daughter of James Victor Gooch) ?
Does the J stand for Joyce?
Hope your Nan is going to have a great 90th birthday !!!
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Gooch
« on: Tuesday 19 November 19 01:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi Niki Fearns,
Starting with Victor, i.e. James Victor Gooch, born Abbots Langley, Herts in 1899, died 1977 in Liverpool. Married in 1928 to Florence M. Black, in Liverpool.
His brothers & sisters were:
Charles William, born 1890 at St Peter Hungate, Norwich
Margaret Florence, born 1892 in the Reg. district of Hemel Hempstead, Herts; Married Herbert Knight in 1916 in Reg district of Southwark, London
Ethel Maud, born 1894 in Chorleywood, Herts. Married William Christopher Oldfield, a wood machinist, in 1927 in Liverpool. Ethel became a tailoress, and she died in 1964, age 77, a widow, in Manchester.
Edwin Murray Gooch, born 1896 in Reg district of Watford, Herts. Married Florence White in 1918 in Reg district of Bishops Stortford.
Violet Princilla, born 1897 in Reg district of Watford. Married Mario I. Cerutti in 1917.
Gladys May, born 1901 in Reg district of Watford. Married James Murtwaite in 1924 in Liverpool.
Elaine Rachel (Aline, Eileen), born 1902 in Reg district of Watford. Married James William Gorst in 1937 in Reg district of Liverpool North. Elaine died in 1970 in Crosby.
Walter Sidney, born 1904 in Reg district of Watford. Married Maude Richardson in 1931 in Liverpool. Died 1975 in Liverpool.
Vera Teresa, born 1906 in the Reg district of Hereford, Herts. Married Bernard O'Hara in 1928 in Liverpool. It appears they had no children. Vera died in 1975 in Liverpool.
Lilian Dorothy, born 1910 in Little Hadham. Died 1910, aged 3 months and 3 weeks.
The 1911 Census shows Charles William and Ethel Maud living in Liverpool with their aunt and uncle Teresa Mason (nee Murray) and James Mason.
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The Gooch family's parents were Robert Charles Gooch, and Margaret Murray.
Robert Charles Gooch was born 1866 in sub-district of Lowestoft, Suffolk. His home was at Blundeston, Suffolk. His father was Charles Gooch, a fisherman, and his mother was Charlotte Youngs. Robert Charles Gooch married Margaret Murray in 1926 at the Registry Office in Manchester South. Robert died in 1941, age 75, in Great Crosby, Lancs. Robert's occupation was shown as Police Constable in both the 1901 and 1911 census, living at Abbots Langley, and Little Hadden. His occupation when he married in 1926 was shown as Restaurant Proprietor.
Margaret Murray was born at 25 Clarence Street in Dublin in 1867. She died in 1944, age 77, in Great Crosby, Lancs. Her parents were Edward Murray and Alice Hayden. Edward Murray's occupation was 'car owner', i.e. he had a taxi-type business in Dublin. Edward Murray and Alice Hayden, and 3 of their children who died young, are buried in Glasnevin Cemetery in Dublin. Edward had this grave with a very fancy headstone erected in memory of his mother Mary who died in 1855. My grandmother always looked after this grave and, after she died, my sisters and I took on the responsibility - so we visit the grave twice a year and keep it in good condition. Edward Murray and Alice Hayden were my great-great grandparents.
Hope this is of help.
Starting with Victor, i.e. James Victor Gooch, born Abbots Langley, Herts in 1899, died 1977 in Liverpool. Married in 1928 to Florence M. Black, in Liverpool.
His brothers & sisters were:
Charles William, born 1890 at St Peter Hungate, Norwich
Margaret Florence, born 1892 in the Reg. district of Hemel Hempstead, Herts; Married Herbert Knight in 1916 in Reg district of Southwark, London
Ethel Maud, born 1894 in Chorleywood, Herts. Married William Christopher Oldfield, a wood machinist, in 1927 in Liverpool. Ethel became a tailoress, and she died in 1964, age 77, a widow, in Manchester.
Edwin Murray Gooch, born 1896 in Reg district of Watford, Herts. Married Florence White in 1918 in Reg district of Bishops Stortford.
Violet Princilla, born 1897 in Reg district of Watford. Married Mario I. Cerutti in 1917.
Gladys May, born 1901 in Reg district of Watford. Married James Murtwaite in 1924 in Liverpool.
Elaine Rachel (Aline, Eileen), born 1902 in Reg district of Watford. Married James William Gorst in 1937 in Reg district of Liverpool North. Elaine died in 1970 in Crosby.
Walter Sidney, born 1904 in Reg district of Watford. Married Maude Richardson in 1931 in Liverpool. Died 1975 in Liverpool.
Vera Teresa, born 1906 in the Reg district of Hereford, Herts. Married Bernard O'Hara in 1928 in Liverpool. It appears they had no children. Vera died in 1975 in Liverpool.
Lilian Dorothy, born 1910 in Little Hadham. Died 1910, aged 3 months and 3 weeks.
The 1911 Census shows Charles William and Ethel Maud living in Liverpool with their aunt and uncle Teresa Mason (nee Murray) and James Mason.
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The Gooch family's parents were Robert Charles Gooch, and Margaret Murray.
Robert Charles Gooch was born 1866 in sub-district of Lowestoft, Suffolk. His home was at Blundeston, Suffolk. His father was Charles Gooch, a fisherman, and his mother was Charlotte Youngs. Robert Charles Gooch married Margaret Murray in 1926 at the Registry Office in Manchester South. Robert died in 1941, age 75, in Great Crosby, Lancs. Robert's occupation was shown as Police Constable in both the 1901 and 1911 census, living at Abbots Langley, and Little Hadden. His occupation when he married in 1926 was shown as Restaurant Proprietor.
Margaret Murray was born at 25 Clarence Street in Dublin in 1867. She died in 1944, age 77, in Great Crosby, Lancs. Her parents were Edward Murray and Alice Hayden. Edward Murray's occupation was 'car owner', i.e. he had a taxi-type business in Dublin. Edward Murray and Alice Hayden, and 3 of their children who died young, are buried in Glasnevin Cemetery in Dublin. Edward had this grave with a very fancy headstone erected in memory of his mother Mary who died in 1855. My grandmother always looked after this grave and, after she died, my sisters and I took on the responsibility - so we visit the grave twice a year and keep it in good condition. Edward Murray and Alice Hayden were my great-great grandparents.
Hope this is of help.
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Gooch
« on: Friday 07 February 14 20:48 GMT (UK) »
Lovely surprise to get your information. Thank you so much. My apologies for delay in getting back to you. The storms over here Tuesday night brought down the telephone cables, and I rely on the phone for my broadband. However glad to say we got the phone back this afternoon.
And now I have a lot of questions for you!
Your mum's aunt must have been Violet Priscilla Gooch, born 1897. She married Mario I. Cerutti in 1917.
You mention 'one of Grans brothers Sid'. I assume this was Walter Sidney Gooch who was born in 1904? When was his son (the cricketer Graham) born?
Your Aunty Ethel - I assume you mean Grand Aunt, i.e. your Gran's sister. Ethel Maud was married to William Christopher Oldfield. They came to visit us in Dublin when I was a small child. Do you have any information on when William died in the war? Do you know what regiment he was in? Did they have any children?
I had another Subject on this forum "The Child Who Died In The Fire", but so far have received no real information. My mother told me that one of the Gooch children died in a fire (I am almost sure it was one of the Gooch children). The story was that her parents left her at home in her cot whilst they went to the cinema. I think it was a female child. I assumed the child would have been one your Gran's siblings. Do you have any information?
Your Gran's mum was Margaret Murray, born in Dublin. One of her sisters was Mary Murray, and she was my maternal great grandmother.
And now I have a lot of questions for you!
Your mum's aunt must have been Violet Priscilla Gooch, born 1897. She married Mario I. Cerutti in 1917.
You mention 'one of Grans brothers Sid'. I assume this was Walter Sidney Gooch who was born in 1904? When was his son (the cricketer Graham) born?
Your Aunty Ethel - I assume you mean Grand Aunt, i.e. your Gran's sister. Ethel Maud was married to William Christopher Oldfield. They came to visit us in Dublin when I was a small child. Do you have any information on when William died in the war? Do you know what regiment he was in? Did they have any children?
I had another Subject on this forum "The Child Who Died In The Fire", but so far have received no real information. My mother told me that one of the Gooch children died in a fire (I am almost sure it was one of the Gooch children). The story was that her parents left her at home in her cot whilst they went to the cinema. I think it was a female child. I assumed the child would have been one your Gran's siblings. Do you have any information?
Your Gran's mum was Margaret Murray, born in Dublin. One of her sisters was Mary Murray, and she was my maternal great grandmother.
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World War One / Re: find WILLIAM CORCORAN: he died in WW1
« on: Friday 16 November 12 21:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
I've sent a reply to your personal message. Let me know if there is any problem.
I've sent a reply to your personal message. Let me know if there is any problem.
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World War One / Re: find WILLIAM CORCORAN: he died in WW1
« on: Monday 12 November 12 22:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi Menapi,
Your Great Great Grandfather Patrick Corcoran married Mary Barry. They had a son John Corcoran.
John married Kate Morrissey.
They had 13 children, of which 10 were living: see 1911 Census for 4 Hughes Lot East, Cashel. Also see 1901 Census.
One of their children William joined the Leinster Regiment at the outbreak of WW1. He served in France and Flanders, and was killed on 6 November 1917.
Another of their children Patrick went to USA. He worked as a shipping clerk in Boston, then enlisted with the U.S. Army at Boston. He served with them in France, and was honourably discharged from the U.S. Army in April 1919.
Do you know anything about a story behind the reasons William joined the British Army, and Patrick went to USA?
Your Great Great Grandfather Patrick Corcoran married Mary Barry. They had a son John Corcoran.
John married Kate Morrissey.
They had 13 children, of which 10 were living: see 1911 Census for 4 Hughes Lot East, Cashel. Also see 1901 Census.
One of their children William joined the Leinster Regiment at the outbreak of WW1. He served in France and Flanders, and was killed on 6 November 1917.
Another of their children Patrick went to USA. He worked as a shipping clerk in Boston, then enlisted with the U.S. Army at Boston. He served with them in France, and was honourably discharged from the U.S. Army in April 1919.
Do you know anything about a story behind the reasons William joined the British Army, and Patrick went to USA?
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: The Child Who Died in the Fire (surname GOOCH)
« on: Sunday 06 February 11 14:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi Spidermonkey and Rutht22000,
I have not received any response to my post of Wednesday 26 January re The Child You Died in the Fire. Hope you can help.
I have not received any response to my post of Wednesday 26 January re The Child You Died in the Fire. Hope you can help.
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: The Child Who Died in the Fire (surname GOOCH)
« on: Sunday 06 February 11 14:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi johnlynn40,
Don't know for sure. I suppose if you put up your request as a new topic, then Rutht22000 will respond.
Don't know for sure. I suppose if you put up your request as a new topic, then Rutht22000 will respond.