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Small (and pathetically so) detail about 10 July 06 12:46 BST posting above.

Original at http://www.spanglefish.com/awalkthroughderbyshirespast/index.asp?pageid=283984

Here's another reference to the Zinzano clan, which goes along with Mike Zinzan's more detailed explication:

Privy Purse Expenses of Henry VIII for 22nd March 1531:
To Hanyball Zinzano, for drinks and other medicines for the King's horses, 8l. 18s.

See: Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 18 Part 1: January-July 1543 (James Gairdner and R. H. Brodie, editors).

Also via : http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=77503&strquery=Zinzano

Meanwhile I wonder if we might see Alexander Zinzano lurking behind this reference, found in Joan Thirsk: The Rural Economy of England, collected essays, page 388:

In 1526 Alexander de Bologna and Jacques de Granado were officers in the royal stable and were still on the payroll in 1544; in 1545 Mathew de Mantua was a studman in the royal stables.

In a footnote [#77] that is sourced as A Collection of Ordinances, p.202. [For which see: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/117019883X/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=103612307&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B0014LC4LM&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=1YM97SFJ2NRC76T8MRVS]

That same footnote continues:

According to William Cavendish, Duke of Newcastle, writing in 1667, two of Federico Grisone's pupils were brought to England by Henry VIII. These may have been they. William Cavendish, A New Method and Extraordinary Invention to dress Horses (1667), p.2.

I see a small difficulty there: Grisone's school of dressage was established only in 1532. His classic text Cli Ordini de Cavalcare ("The Rules of Horsemanship") is from the 1550s. Or is "Mons. Gregory" (as in Mike Zinzan's previous comment) a possible corruption of "Grisone"?

Allow me to summarize.

I must have gone through the records of St Peter & St Paul, Bassingbourn, at some time. The following is taken therefrom.

We can identify nine children of Daniel Docwra[/color] and Jacaminea Winch:
1. James, christened 11 Sep 1743;
2. Elizabeth, christened 13 Oct 1745;
3. Charles, christened 28 June 1747, buried 18 Oct 1747;
4. Jackaminea, christened 8 Oct 1748, married Joseph Spalding 6 June 1774;
5. Charles, christened 15 July 1750, married Lydia Payne 16 Apr 1778, ten identifiable children;
6. Daniel, christened 19 Apr 1752, married Kezia Masters, 2 May 1774, eight identifiable children (see below);
7. Henry, christened 26 Dec 1754;
8. William, stillborn?, buried 21 Mar 1755;
9. William, christened 26 Apr 1756, buried 9 May 1756.

Daniel and Kezia's eight children were:
1. Daniel, christened 13 June 1775;
2. Edward, christened 23 Mar 1777;
3. James, christened 14 Jan 1779;
4. Jemimah, christened 11 Feb 1781;
5. Keziah, christened 23 Mar 1783;
6. Jabez, christened 27 July 1788 and Jaxy's main man;
7. Miriam, christened 27 July 1788;
8. Simeon, christened 10 May 1790.

My interest there is Elizabeth Docwra, christened 13 Oct 1745. She became entangled with Rowland Pigott, scion of Granado Pigott the squire of Abington Pigotts (which is half-way between Bassingbourn and Guilden Morden). But that's another story, subject of another thread.

At the risk of seeming over-innocent, have you pursued:

http://www.docwras.org.uk/

?

I have on my scratch file (rough stuff: needs to be fully documented):

James DOCKWRA (Xtn: 11 Dec 1687, Bassingbourn; buried 1 Mar 1779, Bassingbourn.)

Married:

Rosamund RIDING (no other info here)

Known child: Daniel

Daniel DOCKERELL/DOCKWRA (Xtn: 11 Aug 1717, Bassingbourn; buried: 13 July 1799, Bassingbourn) -- I expect there are other children, I don't have them noted.

Married: Jacaminea WINCH

Known Children: Elizabeth, Charles (two of them) Henry and William

My main interest is Elizabeth.

Elizabeth DOCKWRA (Xtn: 13 Oct 1745)

Child by Robert Rowland Lacey PIGOTT (d. 21 Apr 1774. Dartmouth) -- Robert Pigott DOCKWRA.

So, hello, distant cousin.