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Evening Heywood,

My friend Michael has access to fold3 pension records, while I have a subscription to ancestry, British Newspaper Archive, newspapers.com and the Mormon website.

Despite the advantages to these sites, we still lack some online access to local archives. The only newspaper articles I could find so far, was the Hull Daily Mail mentioning him in 1981, and the American papers for 1947 and 1948. So I would agree with you, it’s somewhat unusual not to pick something on him, obituary or military record. We had a similar soldier who had been awarded the Medal of Honor, during the civil war, and who died in Great Yarmouth. But we still cannot find him, despite someone claiming he’s buried in a Catholic cemetery on findagrave when the parish priest informed us that he wasn’t buried in his cemetery.

It’s possible the pension index for 1921 that you mentioned on findmypast, could be our guy. He’s showing also on the Mormon site, if you don’t have access to fold3.

I’ve since found the lack of information at the Sailor’s Home for 1921. It only shows the superintendent and his family. At 39, Belvoir Street for 1921 is John William Forton, who died at sea a month or two later. George Green could have moved in after this date, but not having access to the records I can verify this. He’s not there in 1911.

Maurice

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Morning Carole,

We seem to be drifting away from my initial inquiry.

Yes it was paid to him, and it was an on going payment. It stopped because someone returned his payment cheques back to the pension office in 1947-48, but NO record that he died.

He filed his pension in England in 1921, so until we can pick him up here, through the local directories, this would seem the best place to start. Once we can gather this information, we can then look to see what became of him.

Maurice

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) Lookup Requests / Re: Lost resident
« on: Tuesday 18 November 25 19:25 GMT (UK)  »
Evening Carole

Let me try and correct the article which recently appeared, and which I hadn't seen until now.

We don't know when George lived at Belvoir or at Waterloo Cottage. The local directory might tell us that. My colleague read from Professor Hoar's article that this was around this time that he lived. However, the US paper I found said he lived in Waterloo Cottage, and this was printed in 1947/8. It's my belief that when he died in the UK, the US authorities were not told that he died, and the US paper printed it so.

The details are vague where he was born in the UK, the census will tell us that. What is known is that he lived at Hull, at those addresses he gave, when he applied for his pension in 1921.

The fact is he did apply for his pension in 1921, and this is recorded in his US pension index noting England when he applied. It may help him for funeral expenses, or in showing proof that he was a veteran.

The last official civil war veteran died in the US in 1959.

I know James Hall lived in Waterloo Cottage in 1942 with his wife, but the question is was he related to George, or did George move out pre 1942 or move in afterwards? I have seen the 1913 and 1922 directories, but can't access the 1930's or 1940's.

Maurice

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) Lookup Requests / Re: Lost resident
« on: Tuesday 18 November 25 18:47 GMT (UK)  »
Evening Heywood,

It is the gentleman myself and Michael are searching for. It was my digging that unearthed his name, and emailed my colleague with the details. After our own attempts failed in finding him, not just in Hull, but outside as well, we are now appealing to the public for help.

Michael wrote to the local paper several weeks ago, but as he lives in London, and I in Hampshire, we hadn't heard anything since then. So I made the decision in trying to reach out to the people of East Riding through these message boards in case the paper appeal couldn't help. In 1981 a Professor Hoar made a similar appeal through the same paper without much luck. So the only option left to us is a search through the local directories in an attempt to pick him up at these addresses I listed. Sadly the professor died in 2023 without finding him. We are carrying out that search.

We cannot find him in the newspapers, freebmd, or ancestry etc and the local directories are limited online.

Maurice


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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) Lookup Requests / Re: Lost resident
« on: Tuesday 18 November 25 18:27 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Carole,

The source for 1921 that I have was another document saying he was at the sailor's home and gave his year of birth, but this wasn't the census. I couldn't pick him up in the 1921 census. I can only presume he forgot how old he was, and therefore gave a wrong age and dropped his middle name on occasions. If he's found in the sailor's home for 1921, that might help me, otherwise its back to the local directory at the addresses I listed to try and pick him up.

I'm still not sure if being at the sailor's home tells me he was a sailor. There was a George Green, rigger, who was a Crimean veteran, and who died in the 1920's, but so far as I know, this isn't the gentleman I'm searching for.

Maurice


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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) Lookup Requests / Re: Lost resident
« on: Tuesday 18 November 25 17:46 GMT (UK)  »
Afternoon Carole,

Thanks for responding so quickly to my post.

I didn't know the Street directory needed this personal information, but to try and assist and help. We have him born in 1845, and don't know whether he was married, or single. His middle name escapes us at the moment. However, if he's found in the local street directory, I'm sure the electoral roll, or directory, will give us that information. We don't have a date of death, hence the appeal search in the local directory. If we can pick him up in the directory, this may help in widening the search with those details. It's a long shot, but we need to start somewhere.

Maurice

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) Lookup Requests / Lost resident
« on: Tuesday 18 November 25 16:46 GMT (UK)  »
Good afternoon to all who can help me, in locating an old gentleman who resided in the Hull, and Flamborough area, date and occupation not known, by the name of George M Green.

He was last recorded in Hull in 1921, and unfortunately I only have two known addresses where he lived. This was 39, Belvoir Street, (Princes Ave) and the another at Waterloo Cottage, N Marine Road, Flamborough. The only known dates I have for this man, at these addresses, is between 1921 to 1947.

Does anybody have access to the local directories to at least help me pin him down to a year? The worse scenario is that he was a lodger at these addresses, and therefore might not show up in the directories, but on the electoral roll. The newspaper report has him at Waterloo Cottage in 1945, but this I feel might be a case that he last lived there, rather than actually living there now.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Maurice

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Hertfordshire / Re: American veteran
« on: Sunday 06 August 23 09:05 BST (UK)  »
It looks like that is my last option in visiting the record office which I have considered lately. St Giles was one of the first churches I approached at the beginning of my search and spiralled out of that area to cover the areas outside of that town too. The only ones I hadn’t covered was the private catholic cemeteries.

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Hertfordshire / Re: American veteran
« on: Sunday 06 August 23 08:16 BST (UK)  »
Morning KGarrad,

Thank you too for getting back to me. My earlier post mentioned that I had approached the council cemeteries, but sadly without much success in finding him buried in the local cemeteries. So I decided to try and turn my attention to the private cemeteries, say not those in the control of the council. Is there a catholic diocese I could write to in or around Hertfordshire?

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