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The Common Room / Re: Having difficulty with a 18th century marriage surname
« on: Today at 00:24 »
Quote from: Bookbox on Yesterday at 20:40
I would suggest Mawliverer. Maybe look at Mauleverer too.

You are bang on correct! I have found Elizabeth Mauleverer baptism 1701 Selby Yorkshire

Thanks Bookbox and you Top of the hill.

 :)

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The Common Room / Re: Having difficulty with a 18th century marriage surname
« on: Yesterday at 11:25 »
Thank Sue,

Great help!

'McGivern' or MacGivern

Hope you and OH are keeping well  :)

Take care!

Dave.

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The Common Room / Having difficulty with a 18th century marriage surname
« on: Yesterday at 10:32 »
Hi  All

Please! - I wonder if any member of Rootchat has access to view the original image of this 18th century marriage below to try and make sense of the brides surname.

William Jackson X Elisabeth Mawlivern (As written on familysearch)
Married 27th January 1723 Selby Yorkshire.


Thanks in advance.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
« on: Saturday 20 September 25 20:13 BST (UK)  »
Assuming it was the Selby John Hood mariner who was in the marriage Banns readings to Martha Dean 1781 Scarborough register but  for reason unknown, the actual marriage did not happen or not recorded, their relationship could have continue resulting a birth of an illegitimate child ?

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
« on: Saturday 20 September 25 10:18 BST (UK)  »
Hi Mark,

That John Stagg of Selby (brother in law of John Cockin merchant of London) later Ackworth house ( a place of Quakers and some of George Hood's children in laws were Quakers with George and his wife Sarah being buried in a Quaker burial ground in Selby as none practicing Quackers ) south side of Pontefract.

Just thinking outside the box.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Re: Jemima Elizabeth Brown and Walter Brown - Keighley after 1901
« on: Saturday 20 September 25 03:29 BST (UK)  »
Did Jemima E have relatives in the London area

   -   ?

Could this be her death

Deaths Sep 1904
Brown    Eliza Jemima    77    Hackney    1b   263

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
« on: Friday 19 September 25 11:39 BST (UK)  »
To all or future researchers,

If there is a link to George Hood - it could be that George hood of Selby pre 1812 - he was a small time businessman from London who bought a failed bankrupt cooper business with skilled coopers, to turn into a recovery stock with his business stills, and on paper he was a cooper business owner, but defined himself on documents as his occupation as just a 'cooper' which would explain why he change his businesses to brewing and tanning which needed skilled people in all these trades and most important of all George Hood could not have been apprentice trained in all 3 trades of being a cooper, brewer or tanner. . Thus John Hood and daughter Maudland Hood later Mrs Charles Turner could have been a coincidence in this scenario! that they just happened to be living in Selby with the surname Hood and no connection to George Hood.

( There as always been a class distinction between maritime Hood's of Selby to this comer in of George Hood to Selby  to buy a failed business, with his business skills and class of his standing of wealth but more his business skills' Hence why!! no connection can be found between John Hood mariner or George Hood businessman both of Selby, over many years of serious research by Mark and no history of George Hood pre 1812 but lots on John Hood) 

 The connection of John Cocking a merchant of Fenchurcch street, London, who age in 1784 would be a man of age and could have had a son or grandson called James Cocking more to George Hood born 1786 ish age at the time of George Hood marriage to Sarah Russell of Selby 1815 Selby.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
« on: Thursday 18 September 25 23:24 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: BushInn1746 on Thursday 18 September 25 12:02 BST (UK)
Quote from: BushInn1746 on Wednesday 17 September 25 20:48 BST (UK)
Quote from: dobfarm on Wednesday 17 September 25 00:47 BST (UK)
Baptism of Thomas Crossland Cockin son of John Cocking and Mary Crossland 22nd June 1779,
St Margaret with St Gabriel. Fenchurch London

1784
Thomas Crossland (Gentleman) and late wife Ann of Foulby Near Hemsworth had 3 daughters
Mary Cocking Nee Crossland married John Cockin merchant of Fenchurch London (Above)
Ann Stagg nee Crossland married John Stagg of Selby
Eliziabeth Rimington nee Crossland widow of Carleton near Pontefract

(William RIMINGTON of Pontefract, Yeoman.?)

John Stagg later lived at Ackworth house

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=790433.msg6600304#msg6600304

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https://catalogue.hullhistorycentre.org.uk/catalogue/U-DP99-1

Lease for a year: John Stagg of Selby gent. to Joseph Robinson of South Duffield gent.
1 Apr 1774
Description:
Messuage, barn, croft and 4ac. in the town fields; messuage, parcel on which a house stood, and 3 garths (5ac.) all in South Duffield

There was George William Hood son of Daniel and Jane Hood baptised 24th August 1783 Newgate London justy next st to Fenchurch Just across the river Thames From Southwark.

Quote from your archive catalogue document description (in replies 53 & 54)
... Elizabeth Rimington of Carleton, widow John Cockin of Fenchurch Street in the city of London, merchant, and Mary his wife John Stagg of Selby, gentleman, and Ann his wife, which said Elizabeth Rimington, Mary Cockin and Ann Stagg are the three daughters and co-heirs of Ann, the late deceased wife of Thomas Crosland late of Foulby, gentleman, deceased
End of Quote


Hello Dave and All

Excellent Dave.

The document was saying that an Elizabeth RIMINGTON was nee CROSLAND

AND

John COCKIN married Mary CROSLAND


Also with Cockin and Crossland link and some link to the Hemsworth, Yorkshire, area and Selby (I have not took it in yet, but will need to look it all up and sketch it out).

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Because, Charles Turner (the Husband of Maudland Hood) had a Brother called William Turner at South Kirkby, Yorkshire, who married Elizabeth Denton, Widow, (nee Elizabeth Crosland).

1788 at South Kirkby
Benjamin Denton of South Kirkby, Maltster married
Elizabeth Crosland of South Kirkby, Spinster
Present (wits): Jo'n Hanley ; James Watterton.

The Watterton family were neighbours of the Turner, Blacksmith, family at South Kirkby, Yorks,


1792, 5th April, Burials at South Kirkby
Benjamin Denton of S.K Innkeeper


1792, 28th October, South Kirby
William Turner of South Kirkby in the County of York Blacksmith married
Elizabeth Denton of the Parish aforesaid, Widow
Present (wits): [James? smudged] Haigh ; William Wilson


Confirming, William Turner of South Kirkby, Blacksmith, married nee Elizabeth Crosland.


Mark


Added:

1757, Royston, 10th January, by Licence
John Rimington of this Parish, Yeoman, 27 years,
married
Elizabeth Crosland of ye Parish of Foulby, Spinster, 18 years [Licence transcript says Wragby]
Present (wits): Ann Newbould, John Burditt.

All sign.

Foldby or Foulby was a Hamlet in Sharlston in the old Parish of Wragby.

 ...


Hello Dave and All

Thank you Dave.

With the exception of the Turner marriages of South Kirkby I had saved, I also had two of your marriages already saved on another PC (pc inoperable until recently):-

1st)
1757 John Walton = Mary Crosland

2nd)
1776 John Cockin = Mary Walton, Widow

Your document find and information was helpful in locating the other Registers and attached information.


Regarding part of that 1784 document Catalogue summary (highlighted in Green in the quote):-
https://www.catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=BC74001%2f3%2f127&pos=1


Attachment

CROSLAND part of ... IBBOTSON - WILSON - CROSLAND - GARLICKE
FMG (Vol 2, MS268, Ibbotson-Wilson-Crosland-Garlicke, p650+).

FMG = Familiae Minorum Gentium


AMENDED:
These Rimington and Wilson, relate to Broomhead Hall.

I can see no close link to Crosland at South Kirkby, nor to Rimmington at Gateforth, Nr Selby, at the moment.

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1792 at South Kirkby of
William TURNER, Blacksmith = Elizabeth DENTON, Widow (who was nee Elizabeth CROSLAND)
Wits: William WILSON, [     ] HAIGH.

No link found.


Mark

You have a James Cockin a witness of a marriage

John Cockin brother in law of John Stagg of Selby and later Ackworth

So its down to : - did William Cockin of Huddersfield  (father of John Cockin merchant fenchurch London) have a son called James Cockin or  a nephew - cousin of John Hood  fenchurch London.

This Crossland mob (family sound a very rich posh lot) origins stemming from Crossland Hall in South Crossland and Crossland moor Huddersfield.

John Hood a captain mariner of a packet boat or coaster and his son in law Charles Turner a blacksmith don't seem quit in the same class. John Stagg seems in the upper class bracket as well being of Ackworth house.

Maybe be another dead end. :-[


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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
« on: Thursday 18 September 25 20:27 BST (UK)  »
Hi Mark

First I know that area well, as I use to walk a lot at the lakes, trails at Wintersett, and Hemsworth water park also since I got my OAP free bus over a few years use the 28 bus Barnsley to Pontefract that skirts South Kirkby on its way to Hemsworth, then goes to Fitzwilliam, then takes  a few miles on the B6428 to Offley lane roundabout, (Wragby crossroads) then on the A638 to Ackworth roundabout, then on the A628 to Ackworth village, then Featherstone and then onto Pontefract.
 I also very occasionally drive to South Elmsall open market, passing through Foulby, pass by Nostell Priory estate, then through Fitzwilliam, Hemsworth, South Kirkby, Moorthorpe to South Elmsall.
At Foulby there's the odd farm, with a  only a long row of very old houses at the side of the main road, made of similar stone to those on the Nostell estate buildings and seems to be part of the complex.

What is noticeable is there is no major waterway or canal in this area until you get to Thorne or Doncaster which make me think the London Southwark and Fenchurch was where any connection to John Hood of Selby was made - if any -?, So Maudland Hood/ Turner is the Hemsworth area connection -if any -?

Ackworth House - John Stagg, (off hand) you have a lot of info on Achworth (Quaker School), was it not thought George Hood born 1786 ish may have  schooled there in Ackworth,

If you can find the link through Maudland to George you'll have a base to really work on  :D going by your dedication so far, with all your lines of research for finding George of Selby's early life pre 1812.

Good Luck

Dave

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