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Lancashire / Re: Horwich Cemetery
« on: Sunday 28 November 10 03:20 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: KR on Monday 24 May 10 12:14 BST (UK)
Hi Tipps,

Can I ask another favour.

I think William Morris died June quarter 1893 Bolton aged 70.

If you have time in the future months would it be possible for you to look for his burial at Holy Trinity.

KR :)





Sorry KR, hadn't noticed your post.  I work full-time now and not available to get down to Horwich Heritage who have a database of Holy Trinity records.  They are only open a couple of hours each day.  It may be worth contacting them to see if they'll do a look-up for you.  Alternatively they sell a CD with the database on which can be bought via their website http://www.horwichheritage.co.uk/publications.htm

I do believe that Bolton Archives will do a free search (15 mins or so), so it may be worth giving them the name, date and church etc.

Hope this helps and sorry I can't get there myself.

Tipps

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Lancashire / Re: Horwich Cemetery
« on: Sunday 28 November 10 03:09 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

I have Martha Proctor buried at Lee Lane Congregational Church on 3rd Jan 1910 aged 58 years.  Her abode is listed as 48 Eckersley Rd, Bolton.  There is no other info.

I don't have a gravestone for her, so she may not have had one or it had become unreadable.

I don't have any other Proctors buried at this church for the period I've covered, 1765 - 1920.

The records for up to approximately 1920 are held at Lancashire Record Office.  The last I knew about the more recent records up to the church closure, was that the church treasurer/secretary still had possession of them (but I can't remember his name and don't have a contact number).  I spoke to him a couple of years ago and he said he was building a database, but would be forwarding the registers to Lancashire Record Office.

Hope this helps in your research.
Regards, Tipps

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World War One / Re: Uniform identification please.
« on: Friday 23 April 10 16:41 BST (UK)  »
Sorry for the delay.  I've checked the Service Records and Pensions for John Batchelor, but none match with service number 588.

Regarding the cap badge:  I showed a photo to a local guy who's a keen amateur on WW1.  He immediately said it was 2 badges together.  The bugle part is from a Light Infantry regiment, but normally the two strings of the bugle are on view along with the regiment number, as I'm sure you've already noticed.  He said it looked like a Fusilier regiment badge placed over the top.  I've looked at fusilier badges http://www.britishbadge.co.uk/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=fusilier&osCsid=4d6778dcca726978ce96e630fff55517 (check out the Lancashire Fusiliers Glengarry Grenade badge) and maybe he's right.  I don't know.  I can't understand why someone would want to put two badges together, unless they were perhaps wearing someone elses uniform and added their own cap badge as well.  It's certainly a mystery.

It might be worth taking the original photo into a Regimental Museum and seeing if they can help.  They often have voluntary experts available on certain days.

Sorry I've not been able to help you more.
Regards, Tipps

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World War One / Re: Uniform identification please.
« on: Sunday 11 April 10 21:21 BST (UK)  »
I found the medal card on the National Archives Documents Online (can be downloaded for £2.00).  I didn't download it, but it gave me the service number.   I've just re-checked for Tom (rather than Thomas) and found another for R Berks R, private No. 7400 who received all 3 medals and was discharged, but no pension record for him or service papers.

I checked the info below on Ancestry

WWI service records - these vary in length per person, but often shows: Parish, town, occupation, birth, height, description, agreement to serve etc.

WWI pension records - they contain the same basic info as in the service records, but also gives details of postings, reason for discharge, amount of pension received.  Again the amount of info varies greatly per person.

Looking back at the photo, the baton looks like a riding crop as used by a cavalry regiment, so it may be a prop.  But I think the braiding is regiment related. 

Let me know the name of your other ancestor and I'll look for you.

Regards, Tipps


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World War One / Re: Uniform identification please.
« on: Sunday 11 April 10 16:36 BST (UK)  »
Sorry, deleted this and changed message.

Mallory,  I've found a medal card for Thomas Butcher, Royal Berkshire Regiment.  It doesn't state much really.

Thomas Butcher,
R Berks R, Private No. 28904. 
Lab C (Labour Corps) 245064

Received Victory Medal and British Medal

No Theatre of War or Entry Date given


I've looked through the pensions but can't match one to these service numbers.  When soldiers moved to the Labour Corps, I believe but may be wrong, that it was because they became 'unfit' for frontline duties due to injury or illness.  They then went to the Labour Corps to be the fetchers and carriers of supplies etc.  Maybe Ken would know a bit more about this.  It seems he survived the war as I can't find him on CWGC.org


I did find this website which may be worth browsing if you have time, you may be able to match up the shoulder braiding.  http://www.ww1photos.com/RoyalBerksRegt.html

Hope this helps some.
Tipps

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World War One / Re: Uniform identification please.
« on: Saturday 10 April 10 01:43 BST (UK)  »
Hi Mallory,

Many photos similar to these were taken before they went overseas on active service and were often in the form of a postcard.  The backdrops were painted or staged.  Comparing this uniform to a couple of photos I have of my ancestors from WW1, it's the same appart from the braiding on the left shoulder, and the cap badge.  My ancestors were privates (as were the majority when they first signed up), so I would guess he is 'at this point' a private.  If you have his name, his medal card would show any rank or regiment changes.  If he was a war casualty you're most likely to find him on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp?menuid=14 (sometimes mentions a next of kin or address along with rank etc) or he may be mentioned in DeRuvigny's Roll of Honour.  If he survived the war he may be mentioned in the 'The National Roll of the Great War'.  Both these publications give a little bit of a biography of soldiers, which might help you rule a name out, or confirm your ideas.

I have a similar problem with an unknown soldier.  My great Grandmother had a pendant with two photos of soldiers in.  One of the soldiers was her husband, but I've no idea who the other one is.  A likely candidate would be her only brother, but I can't find any evidence he even served in the army.

Regards,
Tipps

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: haigh hall manchester.
« on: Thursday 08 April 10 23:53 BST (UK)  »
This is a very interesting story!  I'm not sure the names and dates tie up though.  Alexander Lindsay, the 6th Earl of Balcarres did not become the 23rd Earl of Crawford until his son claimed the title (1848) long after his death (1825).  It also doesn't mention the Earl, Alexander Lindsay (around 1813 the date of marriage) having a daughter called Elinor, but she may have been 'deleted' from the family, or may have been a niece or other relative.  But overall, more is written and kept about the titled people and they're easier to trace.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Lindsay,_6th_Earl_of_Balcarres

The History Shop in Wigan has been renamed and refurbished and is now:

 Museum of Wigan life, Library Street, Wigan, WN1 1NU.
Tel: 01942 828128
E-mail: heritage[-- at --]wlct.org

They have different records at different venues, so it's worth emailing and asking them or Lancs Record Office if they hold the pedigree to the Earl of Balcarres or Earl of Crawford, or any letters (especially by his wife, Elizabeth) or a diary even.  Another name to check would be George Lindsay 22nd Earl of Crawford, who must have been related to Alexander of Haigh Hall.

Looking at the marriage you mention 1813, it's worth getting the original record checked.  But, if they eloped in secret she may have used a different name.

Good luck with this one, I think it's going to be a difficult trek.

Regards, Tipps
 
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World War One / Re: Uniform identification please.
« on: Thursday 08 April 10 21:53 BST (UK)  »
Hi Mallory,

As you will be able to see more detail on the original photo it may be worth checking this site out and compare.  http://www.brigadeuk.com   

The one in the photo looks similar to Durham Light Infantry or Kings Shropshire Light Infantry. 

Tipps

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England / Re: Parish Records
« on: Thursday 08 April 10 11:00 BST (UK)  »
Hi,  There are no Waddingtons on 1839 or 1840 Poor Rate for Westhoughton. 

Ok, this is a bit of a longshot, but worth it when you're stuck.  Eleanor's son Thomas (1796) is on the 1851 census with his wife Sarah and children Class: HO107; Piece: 2216; Folio: 513; Page: 14. 

On the IGI there is a marriage of Thomas Waddington to Sarah Oaks in 1819 at Deane (St Mary's).  If Thomas knew who his father was, he should be recorded on the marriage register.  Unfortunately, this date 1819 is not transcribed yet on Lanc OPC, so it would need to be checked from the archives.  I can check for you next time I go if you like (should be going next week sometime).

Regards,

Tipps


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