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Norfolk / Re: Lake family of Bale, Briston, & Stiffeky
« on: Sunday 04 March 12 15:09 GMT (UK)  »
correction...Mary Lake is almost certainly the widow of John Lake who died Aug 30 1804 in Bale aged 61.  Mary was formerly Mary Atthow and she died in Bale 1816 aged 57.  They have many children born in the late 1700's in Bale.  Note that England was bapt sept 1805 so 11 months after the death of John and therefore it is unlikely he is genetically a Lake more likely an England who were farmers in Hindringham and Gunthorpe only a mile or so from Bale in each direction..esp as it says he is illegitmate and not that his father is deceased.  Also Mary has another son John in 1809 also illegitimate.  It would also explain why the children have the middle name England.  Sadly though it means you will probab;y never be able to prove England Lake's genetic father tho at least you can link back to earlier Englands and also now the Atthow side.  Obviously he did have several half siblings that were Lakes from his mother and John Lake. 

best regards

Magic


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Norfolk / Re: Lake family of Bale, Briston, & Stiffeky
« on: Sunday 04 March 12 14:06 GMT (UK)  »
answers ...england lake senior born Bale 1805 to Mary lake..illegitimate. mary is a widow...possibly his real father has the surname England as that is very common in the Bale area and was a typical way of dealing with illegitimate births at the time and place.

Anyway..England Lake marries 7 Nov 1826 Sarah Claxton at Bale.  they have several children including one England Lake who marries Susannah Dunn 30 Jan 1853 at Stiffkey. He is 24, she 23.  England's father is England Lake a labourer and hers Henry Dunn likewise a labourer.  So def not John who marries her.  The anomolies re the 1841/51 census dates for Sarah Lake are explained as the 41 census worked on a round up or down five years basis so ages were not precise nor meant to be ... they were only a rough guide and again many simply were not all that certain how old they were!

One hint from working alot with this family in the north norfolk area is to be aware that lake is also spelt Leake/Leke/Leek/Leke.  Most were illiterate til way into the early 1900's and my experience is that the name was nothing if not fluid.  The same is true of middle/second name useage around here.  They chop and change at will. 

Look at freerega site that has most Norfolk records free online.  I dont think the lakes ever wer in Devon or Cornwall ..my side goes back to the Bale/Hindringham area to the 1600's.  One last point your england lakes mpother mary is most likely the former second wife of William Lake who is a direct gggggf to me with his ffirst wife. Small world. hope this helps Magic




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Norfolk / Re: Lake family of Bale, Briston, & Stiffeky
« on: Saturday 22 January 11 21:56 GMT (UK)  »
ok ... I am related to a whole heavenly host of lakes all from the area.  I still live in Norfolk now and have connections via a certain site(!) with a man who has made it his life mission to list all the Lake brigade from the area.  I shall pass your queary on and see what he make sof it...if anyone can help he is the man!

best regards

magic d

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Carmarthenshire / Re: anybody know llangeler?
« on: Saturday 22 January 11 15:27 GMT (UK)  »



well I wouldnt say they were an exciting bunch on my side but Evan is certainly a colourful soul and his father in law was a real character, I gather more than three thousand attended the old mans funeral.  I have the funeral and will stuff that is signed by Evan so it is nice to actually see how fluent he is.

we cud exchange pics ect if u wish, best regards

magic d


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Carmarthenshire / Re: anybody know llangeler?
« on: Saturday 22 January 11 13:30 GMT (UK)  »
Hey what a swift response!! Great to hear about Daniel and it sort of confirms my thinking as I was wondering how Evan given he is clearly a very educated man was as driven as he was.  I have his obituary on my ancestry page and it makes for hilarious reading... basically it says he was a "peculiar man" numerous times! Very "distant" and all this from a reverend who he was actually related to!! I think Evan was a very strict character who had little patience and huge religious fervour.  One son became a missionary in madagascar and I have got the permission to visist the archives and view his dairies and letters.  Another became a teacher in Norfolk where I live! The daughter my ggmother married into a drapers family Pugh from Aberdare and had a large shop in Cardiff.   

Yes I am glad you have Hannah with the same parents as I presumed..what is the page you refer to?  Have you any idea who Daniels parents were?  Who did your Anna marry?


Sadly being in jolly Norfolk means I am unable to visit chapels as I would like though it does mean I am well placed to view my mothers side who are all local.

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Carmarthenshire / Re: anybody know llangeler?
« on: Saturday 22 January 11 12:22 GMT (UK)  »
Hi...just reading your post with great excitement!  I am descended from Evan Jones who was born 1839 in Llangeler..I believe his father was Daniel, the same as the one you are tracking.  Evan moved to Aberdare and married Mary Price though I have no marriage cert for them and this may fully confirm his father tho I have hunted about and really there are no other options other than daniel.  Evan was a bit of an ambitious and very bright if some what odd man...he went to work in London and became the manager of Aberdare Gas Works.  His wife was the daughter of David Price...who is a bit of a religious figure in Aberdare.

I have lots on evan and mary and their family who were again pretty ambitious.

If you are in the aberdare area and cud confirm the marriage between evan and mary it wud be great,,they married in 1861 or so.  Also some research suggests Daniels wife Hannah was born Hannah LLoyd.  She is still living at tthe same adress in the 1881 census as well btw, with Elizabeth and son david davies.

hope this helps

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