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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Robert Brogden Bolton
« on: Tuesday 19 June 12 21:34 BST (UK)  »
Yes I think I am coming to the same conclusion, that perhaps he was in Bolton for a time or that is what he remembered? but born elsewhere,
Can't trace any Robert around the same dates, or any matching marriages for Brogden/Hall/Wall in a timeframe that would work.
But thanks for all the suggestions

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Robert Brogden Bolton
« on: Tuesday 19 June 12 14:59 BST (UK)  »
Hi June
First son Thomas Hall Brogden
then James, John,  George and William
Most Brogdens seem to be to the North Northeast of Burnley area, so its just trying to make the connection with Bolton, not helped by the two families in Bolton at the time having a Robert born 1806.
Will investigate the Hall name perhaps maiden name of a possible mother? Can't find Halls on his wife's side. No others in Bolton area for the dates,  unless Eccles  and Dalton near Wigan which seem marginally closer than the Downham/Whalley/Whitewell concentration of Brogdens to the north east of the county/

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Robert Brogden Bolton
« on: Monday 18 June 12 21:32 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the information June.
Think my Robert will be a bit of brickwall for a while longer.

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Robert Brogden Bolton
« on: Saturday 16 June 12 22:03 BST (UK)  »
My Robert Brogden is happily living in Birkenhead by the 1851 census; and was already in Liverpool by 1841
June, have looked at Yorkshire possibilities including the Downham/Whalley area, following censuses forward, there is a Robert Brogden who seems to fit for Downham in Burnley for 1861. Also looked at Bilton near Wetherby, but census data seems to suggest again any possible Robert stayed within that area.
Don't know if I am clutching at straws but just found that there was an area in Salford called Little Bolton, don't know whether that could be the Bolton link that would fit with Marshall being his father. Of course Marshall seems to have moved around quite a bit so it could be he resided in Bolton for a period, as there is a gap between the birth of Robert around 1811 and the next child Maria, christened in Ardwick in 1816

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Robert Brogden Bolton
« on: Saturday 16 June 12 16:03 BST (UK)  »
Thanks garstonite, think I'd looked at the Downham baptism but as far as I can remember ties in with subsequent census entries for Brogdens in Burnley and Whalley?
Still can't make out the Bolton connection, if my Robert was baptised at Manchester Cathedral 21 Jul 1811.
Would there be any Bolton records of pew rents for Marshall Brogdin/Brogden or other records pre official census to prove residence in the area.?
Alternatively  was there an area within Manchester called Bolton in the early 19th century?
Another thought I had was that I remember seeing  posts regarding Brogdens in Bolton being of Irish descent, so perhaps he was in fact Irish; just seems to me a long way to go to baptise your child, Bolton to the Manchester cathedral. But having said that have had no luck tracing a Robert Brogden born Manchester around 1811/12 in subsequent census returns.

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Robert Brogden Bolton
« on: Saturday 16 June 12 11:27 BST (UK)  »
Hi Crisane, yes this is the family; they ended up with 10 children?. Didn't realise 1841 census had all of them out of county births. Knew Elizabeth Abrams/Abrahams born in Cheshire.  Working on info from online records for St Nicholas for marriage on 16 Nov 1835.
Thanks Radcliff, is this St Thomas Ardwick the one in Greater Manchester? now the St Thomas Centre, just south of the city centre? Seems to fit with what I have subsequently found out about Marshall; born Ilkley 1773ish illegitimate son of Margaret Brogden, married a Sarah from Mytholmroyd and in 1841 a gardener which seems to tie in with your records for Ardwick; possibly died Dewsbury Aug 1854. Now I need to try and trace the marriage between Marshall and Sarah.
Thanks again for all the info.

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Robert Brogden Bolton
« on: Saturday 16 June 12 04:55 BST (UK)  »
Trying to trace parents/siblings of Robert Brogden of Bolton, born abt 1812.
As far as I know he married a Elizabeth Abrams/Abrahams at St Nicholas Liverpool in Nov 1835.
1841 census has him in Upper Henderson St, West Derby, with wife and family. Subsequently he resided in Birkenhead until his death in 1879; a shipwright by trade.
Have tried variations on name and possibility that it was Bolton Yorks, but nothing seems to fit.  IGI has a Robert Brogdin christened in Manchester in 1811 by Marshall Brogdin, but don't know how likely that is, and cant trace a Marshall apart from a death in Huddersfield in 1854?
Any ideas?

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Leicestershire Lookup Requests / Re: William Belton Rothley
« on: Friday 15 June 12 15:57 BST (UK)  »
Yes I am hoping this is William baptised 13 Dec 1732 is the one I am looking for.[Father of Thomas Belton died 1831] IGI has down as Wil, same for father but no mother's name. I hoping to trace his parents and the mysterious 'Margaret'. Have checked Freereg and Leicestershirevillages/Phillmore marriage index but cant seem to trace and links. Have a look at neigbouring parishes such as Sileby and Barrow but still no luck. Will now try searching using Wilson.
Thanks for the offer of look up in Mountsorrel Parish diddymiller.

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Leicestershire Lookup Requests / William Belton Rothley
« on: Thursday 14 June 12 23:54 BST (UK)  »
Trying to trace marriage of William Belton baptised Rothley Dec 1732.
IGI suggests he married a Margaret?, with first noted child; George Belton baptised in Mountsorrel 1768. Two subsequent children also baptised in the parish. Suspecting marriage around mid 1760s?
Any help or pointers gratefully appreciated.

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