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These are absolutely great. Thanks so much.

I especially loved the Regional Farming in Seventeenth Century Yorkshire piece.

I am writing an article on this family for the Quaker Family History Society publication "Quaker Connections" and trying to expand out on the lives and events so it is not just names and dates.

These links will really help me do that.

Thank you. 

Thanks very much indeed, Bookbox.

I will do that now.

Kind regards,
Jon

I believe the year at the top is written 16 & nintie = 1690. I'm afraid I have no idea what precedes that. It looks like 17 R [?].

Is there no other date given anywhere in the paperwork - perhaps on a wrapper, or on the grant of probate? I can see the Calendar that you've linked to on FindMyPast, with the handwritten annotation at the foot. But how does the Borthwick Institute date the will in its own catalogue?

Before 1858 a beneficiary could witness a will, as long as there was also another witness.

That is great and super helpful to know about the law on witnesses.

I am writing an article on this King family for the Quaker Family History Society publication Quaker Connections to collate all my research and am trying to tie up some loose ends. So thank you.

This is the other side of the probate document, which very clearly states that it was proved in 1663, so I am very confused about the date on the will. It was been catalogued elsewhere as 1690 I think, but it is clearly not.

Son-in-law Henry King died in 1680 and the will clearly shows it was proved in 1663.

The information about probate and witnesses is very helpful as I assume therefore that Margaret King the witness is the same as the beneficiary and executor.

Henry King's wife Margaret Dickinson|King was baptised in Skipton in 1620. Their marriage has not been found, however from her age it would put their 10 children as being born between c1640-1665.

Some of their children were baptised in the parish registers of Marton and Skipton; Jane in 1644, John in 1647, Henry in 1649 and William in 1650.

Their other children's baptisms are not in the registers as I think they then joined the Quakers and birth registers only exist from the 1660s. 

Daughter Margaret King, who I believe is the spinster in the other document you kindly translated, was therefore presumably born between c1652 and 1665. She married widower John Walbank in 1699 and died in 1732.

Agnes or Annas King who is the other witness on the will I think is their eldest daughter, presumably born around 1642. It is possible her baptism is in Marton like that of sister Jane but the registers are illegible in places due to water damage.

Agnes King married William Ellis in Broughton on 1 February 1676/7 and had a daughter Ann Ellis in 1680 whose birth was recorded in the Quaker births.

I had wondered if the witness Annas/Agnes King could be a sister or mother of Henry King rather than his daughter, but I have found no Agnes Kings in the family or records.

Thanks again,
Jon
 

 

 

And that Thomas Wood lately of Marton in the county of York, yeoman, and Grace his wife, and Margaret King lately of the same place, spinster, Henry King lately of the same place, labourer, and James Smith lately of the same place, labourer, on the first day of June in the tenth year of the reign of our lord King William the Third by the grace of god now King of England etc., being over the age of sixteen years, with force and arms at Marton aforesaid in the West Riding in the aforesaid county, and with divers individuals unknown to the aforesaid jury, did illegally assemble and congregate at the same time on the same day in a room (in English, 'a room') of the mansion house of the aforesaid Thomas Wood, then and there situated in Marton aforesaid in the West Riding in the aforesaid county, on the pretext of joining in religious worship (in English, 'Religious Worship'), not at all authorized by the laws of this kingdom of England, in contempt of the said lord king and his laws, against the form of the statute etc., and against the peace etc.

In the margin are the names of the defendants who opted for trial by jury (Thomas & Grace Wood, Margaret King, Henry King, James Smith), and presumably two witnesses (Reginald Heber & Peter Horner). No relationship is stated for Margaret and Henry, but she is a spinster.

Across the top there is reference to three payments of sixpence (but I’m unsure of the abbreviations).

The 1699 entries are recognizances (= bonds of undertaking) of £20 each in the names of Thomas Wood and Henry King, both yeomen of Marton, for Thomas and Grace and Henry and Margaret to appear at the next sessions to be held at Skipton, on an indictment of riot under the guise of religious worship.

That is absolutely amazing. Thank you so much!

I really need Latin lessons.

I wonder if the trial records survive.

I have been researching the Kings of Yorkshire for over a decade now and great to add a bit more to the family.

Thanks again Bookbox!

jonwicken, firstly just wanted to say how pleased I was that you accepted that the William & Mary you were following were not the same couple having unregistered children during the 1840/50's. It really makes a change that posters admit going wrong (and if were all honest most of us have at some point). Are you wanting to still gather info on this family, ie baptism dates etc.

SS

Thank you. Yes when people don't acknowledge an error they have made, it is very frustrating indeed!

I always double check anything I read or see myself and have had to inform many people over the years they have got something wrong, and as you say often people don't like or accept it!

My head is in a spin with all these small DNA matches to Dinham and Denham families in my late father's DNA and the DNA of a distant cousin of his.

I am hoping that DNA might help me crack the origin of my my ancestor Robert Denham (c1773/4-1837) who married Mary Lepine in London in 1803. Incidentally, his details are wrong in dozens of family trees on ancestry as being born in 1779 (that Robert is actually too young and actually died as a baby) and also dying in 1838 (that is a different Robert Denham who married Mary Adams and was born in Norwich in 1771). So I see the errors and often it is impossible to correct them when across multiple trees and they become alternative facts!

I think what I really need the most now is to see the father's name on the 1872 marriage of Eliza Denham to Thomas Ellis to confirm she is William's daughter.

Then I need to see the father's name on the marriage of widow Mary Denham to John Yendall in 1868 to see if it helps me find her first marriage to William Dinham.

Thanks again for all the help.