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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Wikitree experiences?
« on: Monday 29 September 25 11:20 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for your reply Biggles,   I had never heard of Wikitree - or rather I had ignored it - not understanding its aim.  Is it a bit like Wikipedia - to be used with caution - we tend to believe and trust too easily?  I have always been super fussy about verifying info on my tree.  Not sure about its credibility once others have the option of amending/changing it.  Which I suppose is a crazy attitude to have.... the info is obtained through publically available sites...  knowledge which we have no actual ownership of!!!  And by adding to it, the work i have done for years may actually be of help, - rather than it being possibly ignored or even destroyed after I go!!

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Gaelic Language / Gàidhlig aiseirigh!
« on: Monday 29 September 25 09:51 BST (UK)  »
Halò a chairdean!  As a young expatriate Glaswegian, (too many years ago to count),  with very strong Irish origins, Gàidhlig and knowledge of Scottish heritage were very low on my agenda.  Marrying an Aberdonian here in Australia, years passed before I learned of his strong Stewart/McMillan Highland Traveller heritage.  The 1911 census told me that his paternal grandparents were born ann an Leòdhas, agus bha iad a' bruidhinn Gàidhlig, agus Beurla!  More years passed, as did my beloved Aberdonian, and since then my  long standing Family tree addiction combined with love of my Scottish heritage, and knowledge of my husbands family history has led to efforts to learn Gàidhlig - cànan glè inntineach agus doirbh!! Recent contacts (follow on from posts of years ago) have resurrected my Family Tree efforts. Like many, I had thought (how dumb) that I had just about "done it all"!  So, - reason for this post?  Well, tha mi cho toilichte gu bheil fios agam ri mo shinnsir (às an Èirinn), ach gu bheil fìos agam ri dualchas Albannach!  I am happy also to know of the resurgence of the Gàidhlig language -  so much stronger than it was when I left Scotland so many years ago! 

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Family History Beginners Board / Wikitree experiences?
« on: Monday 29 September 25 08:10 BST (UK)  »
Would like any comments from current users of Wikitree. (Have looked at previous posts re people's impressions, but not many of them are very recent). Having researched my Tree for close to 20 years, i am not a newbie, but still find that there are lots to learn and I really know very little about the workings of Wikitree. I understand its "global tree, not record repository" concept.  A private Ancestry tree has served me well for many years, but a recent contact from a Wikitree user has raised some questions.  I have concern about loss of control,  errors or disagreements/conflicts etc. Years ago I shared some Ancestry tree  info with one very distant family connection, regreted it because the person had questionable interpretations of it.... On the other hand, I have little interest from family to do much with my years of research, once I join the "Great Tree in the Sky"!!   Anyway, would be interested in opinions of Rootschatters !!

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Tyrone / Re: Omagh workhouse cemetery
« on: Tuesday 05 August 25 12:46 BST (UK)  »
Hi again Shanreagh,
Sorry - a typo -  omitted year of birth of Mary -  to clarify other points;
1)  Mary was born on 1/8/66. in Nenagh Co. Tiperrary.
2)  Date of Glasgow census was 1871, child listed as Mary Kenny age 4 (birth mistakenly listed as Glasgow Scotland - should have been Ireland.)
3)  Mary was always under the name Kenny or Kenney - never McNab
4)  Mary's parents Michael Kenney (cert. actually written as "Canny" but all else correct), and Jane McNab were married on 6th February 1866 in Templemore, Thurles Tipperary.
5)  Michael and Jane actually met in Glasgow Scotland in 1865.  Jane, her parents and her siblings had moved from County Tyrone in 1864, and they lived in the Gallowgate Glasgow - close to military barracks.  Jane and 2 of her sisters married soldiers.  Michael Kenny was born circa 1828 in Tulla Co. Clare, he was with 59th Foot Regiment which was stationed in Glasgow for a time, where he met Jane.  The Regiment went from there to Tiperrary, where he and Jane married.- He served a total of 18 years in India, East Indies, Cape of Good Hope, Ceylon..  before discharge on 18th December 1873.  He went on to marry Isabella Carter on 3/3/1874 in Limerick.  He and Isabelle sailed for New Zealand on 14/4/1874....  (and actually left a trail of incidents of petty crime  in NZ which makes very interesting reading).  In all of this there is never a single mention of the child Mary Kenny.  They go on to have one child in NZ,  - no descendants.    Mary's grandparents Francis and Mary McNab seem to leave Scotland fairly soon after their daughter Janes death in 1872 - no further records for them found in Scotland, but after much time found deaths for both of them in Omaha Co. Tyrone area - 1885 and 1890. 
Sorry, I told you it is a long complex story.  So many possibilities...

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Tyrone / Re: Omagh workhouse cemetery
« on: Tuesday 05 August 25 08:51 BST (UK)  »
Oh, and by the way, I have all the paperwork to prove all of the details listed above!!!!

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Tyrone / Re: Omagh workhouse cemetery
« on: Tuesday 05 August 25 08:49 BST (UK)  »
Hi Shanreagh,  Thank you for the offer, but I don't know whether you would be into what is a long complex story!    Quite some years ago, I did a lot of research on Mary Kenney (Kenny) and her parents Michael Kenney (Kenny, Canny) and Jane McNab (my great, great aunt).  Mary was born/baptised 1st August in Nenagh Co. Tiperrary, and also appears with mother Jane McNab and McNab grandparents in 1871 Glasgow census.    Her mother Jane had applied for Poor Law Relief, Glasgow in 1870,  but was refused as the child was not born in Glasgow. This is the last time I have any actual official documents mentioning the existence of Mary the child.   Jane then died in Glasgow in 1872.  Through all this the father Michael Kenney, an Irish soldier, is in India etc. etc.  He then goes back to Ireland, marries again, and migrates to New Zealand, dying there in Oamaru in 1890.   So to get to the point, I have failed to find ongoing records for Mary Kenney (Kenny) in Scotland, or Ireland, and she definitely did not go to New Zealand with her father.  Jane McNabs own parents Francis and Mary McCue  leave Scotland some time after 1873, (after ten very sad years in Scotland) and both of them, Mary's grandparents, died (1885 and 1890) in Omagh area Co. Tyrone, place of the family origin.  We had thought they could have taken the child with them back to Ireland, as no family available to help in Glasgow.... but there is no mention in their own death records of the child, in fact Mary's grandfather Francis McNab dies in the Omagh Workhouse.  Wow..... I wasn't fooling when I said it was a long complex story - and it could be a total waste of time for anyone to attempt further research!  Poor child Mary could have died, got married, migrated, ended up in a workhouse.... but "Mary Kenny" is quite a common name.   A true "needle in a haystack"!  so.... Thank you for the offer!!!!

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Tyrone / Re: Omagh workhouse cemetery
« on: Monday 04 August 25 13:10 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Elwyn and Kiltaglassan for the contributions, which I will follow up ..... I know the possibilties are pretty slim - certainly don't have a chance of actually "finding a grave" i.e. gravestone or separate burial.  About 100% sure Francis and his wife Mary would have ended up in common graves of some sort, but it would be good to even just find some records somewhere.... which is a rather faint possibility with the Irish records.  They had struggled in their years in Scotland, we think that they went back to Ireland as they were possibly left with the responsability of raising a grandchild Mary Kenny, who wasn't eligible for Parish Relief in Glasgow as she had been born (1866) to their daughter when she was in Tipperaray with her soldier husband.    And what happened to the grandchild Mary Kenny?  Failed to find her in Scotland or Ireland... quite a common name.  This is an old brick wall, - but one thing I have learned over the years, is never give up on the search - brick walls do crumble!

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Tyrone / Re: Omagh workhouse cemetery
« on: Monday 04 August 25 11:01 BST (UK)  »
Ooops - thanks also for the link re info about the Omagh workhouse...  will have a good look!!...

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Tyrone / Re: Omagh workhouse cemetery
« on: Monday 04 August 25 10:59 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for that reply Elwyn!  My great great grandfather Francis McNab died in the Omagh workhouse in 1890, said to be from "Mullagharn".. at that stage without family we think, as his wife  Mary had died in 1885 in Omagh area, said to be from "Mullinatormog" (sorry not sure of the spelling of these two areas)... and their offspring had mostly died in Glasgow where they had moved to in 1864 (but then Francis and Mary appeared to return alone to Omagh area, after 1873).    So maybe i should aim for which  RC. cemetery Mary would have been buried in .... and it leaves me with the option that Francis would have been buried in the Workhouse burial area - who knows if there is any record/research on the workhouse building/surrounds etc.  Pretty vague possibilities, but must say that not having done much Family research for the past few years, it seems that the Irish records have improved quite a lot. 

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