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Australia / Re: Australian electoral rolls - abbreviations
« on: Wednesday 15 October 25 00:36 BST (UK) »
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Australia / Re: Australian electoral rolls - abbreviations
« on: Tuesday 14 October 25 23:12 BST (UK) »
Cheltenham, Victoria
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Australia / Re: Australian electoral rolls - abbreviations
« on: Tuesday 14 October 25 23:12 BST (UK) »
Does anyone know what M.B.A. Cheltenham would mean in the Australian Electoral Roll?
Context:
The 1931 Electoral Roll recorded George Gettens living M.B.A., Cheltenham with no occupation.
The next entry was Mary Geyle M.B.A. nurse
Thank you
Context:
The 1931 Electoral Roll recorded George Gettens living M.B.A., Cheltenham with no occupation.
The next entry was Mary Geyle M.B.A. nurse
Thank you
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London and Middlesex / Re: William Peach / Petch / Peche
« on: Wednesday 30 July 25 13:44 BST (UK) »Thank you both very much for your extra help.
Here are two quotes out of Charlotte Papendik's journal which gives a personal side of the Petchs, then my next ancestor, Elizabeth Ann Petch, their daughter, albeit Charlotte, nee Albert, could have only been 4 to 6 years old:
… After that, they returned to Richmond until November. My mother in the meantime was on a visit to Mr. and Mrs. Petch, an agreeable and worthy family, Mr. Petch being on the King's establishment, treated my mother with kindness and feeling, and a lasting friendship was maintained between us all….
… I passed the afternoon with Augusta Fetch [Augusta Petch would be Elizabeth Ann Petch, age almost 6 years], who had a new set of toy plates and dishes of a size exceeding the usual children's services. These so dazzled me that I secreted one of the largest dishes and brought it home unperceived, in short regularly stole it. The following day my father, seeing it, said, ‘You must have been a good girl to have had so fine a dish given to you yesterday by Mrs. Fetch [Petch]’. I hung my head, and shame struck me. My father seeing that something was wrong, then said, ' Fut [Put] on your bonnet; we will go to Mrs. Fetch's [Petch’s] with the dish.' I durst not refuse. We arrived; my father said in my presence, ‘My child took away this dish without your knowledge’.
Thanks
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London and Middlesex / Re: William Peach / Petch / Peche
« on: Wednesday 30 July 25 12:15 BST (UK) »
Thank you Bookbox
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London and Middlesex / Re: William Peach / Petch / Peche
« on: Wednesday 30 July 25 12:14 BST (UK) »
A question, how to I access the Kalendars.
You have now shown that William Petch was a Butler to Prince Edward in 1761, and he would be about 31 years old.
How do I find evidence of his possible earlier appointments, especially if the Australian folklore was correct and his mother was the only daughter of an Earl, he may be in other positions.
It was recorded in the St James' Chronicle or the British Evening Post Issue 959, on the 23 April, 1767 that:
William Petch, Esq; Page to his Royal Highness the Duke of York is appointed Page to His Majesty.
You have now shown that William Petch was a Butler to Prince Edward in 1761, and he would be about 31 years old.
How do I find evidence of his possible earlier appointments, especially if the Australian folklore was correct and his mother was the only daughter of an Earl, he may be in other positions.
It was recorded in the St James' Chronicle or the British Evening Post Issue 959, on the 23 April, 1767 that:
William Petch, Esq; Page to his Royal Highness the Duke of York is appointed Page to His Majesty.
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London and Middlesex / Re: William Peach / Petch / Peche
« on: Wednesday 30 July 25 12:03 BST (UK) »
You are keeping me on my toes, thank you.
I did not have William Petch in 1761 as a Butler. I have him as a Page of the Backstairs for 1772 to 1774.
I also have
A journey to Italy
The above records confirms that William Petch was a Page of the Backstairs to Prince Edward, the Duke of York and Albany, in 1764.
It is noted that Mary Petch gave birth to Elizabeth Ann Petch in Dec 1763 and did not give birth to their second child, Mary Ellis Petch 31 Mar 1766.
Matteo Moro writes in his article: An honoured guest: The 1764 journeys across Piedmont of Prince Edward, Duke of York and Albany that Prince Edward, the Duke of York, under the alias of Earl of Ulster, was the first member of the English Royal Family to visit Italy as a grand tourist, from 28 Nov 1763 to 17 Aug 1764. He further stated that Prince Edward had two journeys and stayed in Piedmont, including the impact of Prince Edward’s presence at the Court of Savoy in Turin, in the context of the political, diplomatic and commercial relationships between the Kingdom of Great Britain and the Kingdom of Sardinia.
As William Petch was on of three of Prince Edward’s Pages of the Backstairs [Chamber Gentlemen], then it would be expected that William Petch accompanied Prince Edward on his travels.
It was recorded in the text of the first journey (10 Feb – 7 Mar 1764) that The Prince left Genoa on the morning of 10 Feb 1764 in the direction of Turin, accompanied by his Chamber Gentlemen, Colonel Henry St. John and his Squire, Sir William, 5th. Baronet of Gore Bootby.
I have the newspaper record of his appointment to George 111 as Page.
I also have Lord Chamberlain records etc
eg Petch William LC
Page of the Backstairs CCR 69 71
Houusehold of Geo 111 at Richmond Lodge
eg 2 Patch Petch William LC
Hair - dresser
CCR 70 71 72
and a few others
I have William Petch's taken from Knightbridge for burial in Bunhillfields 24 Mar 1771
I have his Admons but not a copy of his Will
I did not have William Petch in 1761 as a Butler. I have him as a Page of the Backstairs for 1772 to 1774.
I also have
A journey to Italy
The above records confirms that William Petch was a Page of the Backstairs to Prince Edward, the Duke of York and Albany, in 1764.
It is noted that Mary Petch gave birth to Elizabeth Ann Petch in Dec 1763 and did not give birth to their second child, Mary Ellis Petch 31 Mar 1766.
Matteo Moro writes in his article: An honoured guest: The 1764 journeys across Piedmont of Prince Edward, Duke of York and Albany that Prince Edward, the Duke of York, under the alias of Earl of Ulster, was the first member of the English Royal Family to visit Italy as a grand tourist, from 28 Nov 1763 to 17 Aug 1764. He further stated that Prince Edward had two journeys and stayed in Piedmont, including the impact of Prince Edward’s presence at the Court of Savoy in Turin, in the context of the political, diplomatic and commercial relationships between the Kingdom of Great Britain and the Kingdom of Sardinia.
As William Petch was on of three of Prince Edward’s Pages of the Backstairs [Chamber Gentlemen], then it would be expected that William Petch accompanied Prince Edward on his travels.
It was recorded in the text of the first journey (10 Feb – 7 Mar 1764) that The Prince left Genoa on the morning of 10 Feb 1764 in the direction of Turin, accompanied by his Chamber Gentlemen, Colonel Henry St. John and his Squire, Sir William, 5th. Baronet of Gore Bootby.
I have the newspaper record of his appointment to George 111 as Page.
I also have Lord Chamberlain records etc
eg Petch William LC
Page of the Backstairs CCR 69 71
Houusehold of Geo 111 at Richmond Lodge
eg 2 Patch Petch William LC
Hair - dresser
CCR 70 71 72
and a few others
I have William Petch's taken from Knightbridge for burial in Bunhillfields 24 Mar 1771
I have his Admons but not a copy of his Will
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London and Middlesex / Re: William Peach / Petch / Peche
« on: Wednesday 30 July 25 10:37 BST (UK) »
Thank you hanes teulu
I found William Peach's name on p.618 and a salary of 53 l per annum.
I found William Peach's name on p.618 and a salary of 53 l per annum.
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London and Middlesex / William Peach / Petch / Peche
« on: Wednesday 30 July 25 04:47 BST (UK) »
Resourced from R.O. Bucholz The Data Base of Court Officers: 1660 - 1837 was the name of a footman named William Peach.
Peach, William Footman to Anne, Princess of Denmark occ. Est. of [?1685]-July 1689 (Add. MS. 15897, f. 55; LS 13/231, p. 49). No further occ. Footman 6 July 1702 (LS 13/199, f. 10; LS 13/200 f. 18v). D. by 19 Sept. 1721 (LS 13/200, f. 57).
and my confirmed ancestor, below, where the Royal Household records also has his name as Peach:
Petch, William Page of the Backstairs 31 Mar. 1770 (LS 13/203, p. 82; see Papendiek Memoirs, p, 323 n. 59, for ev of app. Apr. 1767, having previously been a page to Edward, Duke of York). D. by 11 Apr. 1771 (Ibid., p. 92).
Peach (Patch), William Page of the Backstairs to Prince Edward, Duke of York occ. 1762-1767 (CCR [1762], p. 100; last occ. ibid. [1767], p. 94). Vac. 17 Sept. 1767 on d. of Edward, Duke of York.
I have accessed Charlotte Papendik's Journal and she confirms with numerous incidents that William Petch was the King George 111's Page of the Backstairs (hairdresser), as her father Frederick Albert was Queen Sophie's German born hairdresser.
If the footman William Peach died before 19 Sep 1721, then he still could be grandfather. rather than father as my ancestor was born c1730 based burial in 1771. [Folklore Lady Petch only daughter of an Earl]
My request for help is asking for others who may have better access than I, to find more about the William Peach who died before 19 Sep 1721, assumed in London; a possible wife; and children.
Keith
Peach, William Footman to Anne, Princess of Denmark occ. Est. of [?1685]-July 1689 (Add. MS. 15897, f. 55; LS 13/231, p. 49). No further occ. Footman 6 July 1702 (LS 13/199, f. 10; LS 13/200 f. 18v). D. by 19 Sept. 1721 (LS 13/200, f. 57).
and my confirmed ancestor, below, where the Royal Household records also has his name as Peach:
Petch, William Page of the Backstairs 31 Mar. 1770 (LS 13/203, p. 82; see Papendiek Memoirs, p, 323 n. 59, for ev of app. Apr. 1767, having previously been a page to Edward, Duke of York). D. by 11 Apr. 1771 (Ibid., p. 92).
Peach (Patch), William Page of the Backstairs to Prince Edward, Duke of York occ. 1762-1767 (CCR [1762], p. 100; last occ. ibid. [1767], p. 94). Vac. 17 Sept. 1767 on d. of Edward, Duke of York.
I have accessed Charlotte Papendik's Journal and she confirms with numerous incidents that William Petch was the King George 111's Page of the Backstairs (hairdresser), as her father Frederick Albert was Queen Sophie's German born hairdresser.
If the footman William Peach died before 19 Sep 1721, then he still could be grandfather. rather than father as my ancestor was born c1730 based burial in 1771. [Folklore Lady Petch only daughter of an Earl]
My request for help is asking for others who may have better access than I, to find more about the William Peach who died before 19 Sep 1721, assumed in London; a possible wife; and children.
Keith