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London and Middlesex / Re: William Peach / Petch / Peche
« on: Wednesday 30 July 25 13:44 BST (UK)  »

Thank you both very much for your extra help.

Here are two quotes out of Charlotte Papendik's journal which gives a personal side of the Petchs, then my next ancestor, Elizabeth Ann Petch, their daughter, albeit Charlotte, nee Albert, could have only been 4 to 6 years old:

… After that, they returned to Richmond until November. My mother in the meantime was on a visit to Mr. and Mrs. Petch, an agreeable and worthy family, Mr. Petch being on the King's establishment, treated my mother with kindness and feeling, and a lasting friendship was maintained between us all…. 

… I passed the afternoon with Augusta Fetch [Augusta Petch would be Elizabeth Ann Petch, age almost 6 years], who had a new set of toy plates and dishes of a size exceeding the usual children's services. These so dazzled me that I secreted one of the largest dishes and brought it home unperceived, in short regularly stole it. The following day my father, seeing it, said, ‘You must have been a good girl to have had so fine a dish given to you yesterday by Mrs. Fetch [Petch]’. I hung my head, and shame struck me. My father seeing that something was wrong, then said, ' Fut [Put] on your bonnet; we will go to Mrs. Fetch's [Petch’s] with the dish.' I durst not refuse. We arrived; my father said in my presence, ‘My child took away this dish without your knowledge’.

Thanks

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London and Middlesex / Re: William Peach / Petch / Peche
« on: Wednesday 30 July 25 12:15 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Bookbox

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London and Middlesex / Re: William Peach / Petch / Peche
« on: Wednesday 30 July 25 12:14 BST (UK)  »
A question, how to I access the Kalendars.

You have now shown that William Petch was a Butler to Prince Edward in 1761, and he would be about 31 years old.

How do I find evidence of his possible earlier appointments, especially if the Australian folklore was correct and his mother was the only daughter of an Earl, he may be in other positions.

It was recorded in the St James' Chronicle or the British Evening Post Issue 959, on the 23 April, 1767 that:
    
 William Petch, Esq; Page to his Royal Highness the Duke of York is appointed Page to His Majesty. 


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London and Middlesex / Re: William Peach / Petch / Peche
« on: Wednesday 30 July 25 12:03 BST (UK)  »
You are keeping me on my toes, thank you.

I did not have William Petch in 1761 as a Butler. I have him as a Page of the Backstairs for 1772 to 1774.

I also have
A journey to Italy
The above records confirms that William Petch was a Page of the Backstairs to Prince Edward, the Duke of York and Albany, in 1764.
It is noted that Mary Petch gave birth to Elizabeth Ann Petch in Dec 1763 and did not give birth to their second child, Mary Ellis Petch 31 Mar 1766.

Matteo Moro writes in his article: An honoured guest: The 1764 journeys across Piedmont of Prince Edward, Duke of York and Albany that Prince Edward, the Duke of York, under the alias of Earl of Ulster, was the first member of the English Royal Family to visit Italy as a grand tourist, from 28 Nov 1763 to 17 Aug 1764. He further stated that Prince Edward had two journeys and stayed in Piedmont, including the impact of Prince Edward’s presence at the Court of Savoy in Turin, in the context of the political, diplomatic and commercial relationships between the Kingdom of Great Britain and the Kingdom of Sardinia.

As William Petch was on of three of Prince Edward’s Pages of the Backstairs [Chamber Gentlemen], then it would be expected that William Petch accompanied Prince Edward on his travels.

 It was recorded in the text of the first journey (10 Feb – 7 Mar 1764) that The Prince left Genoa on the morning of 10 Feb 1764 in the direction of Turin, accompanied by his Chamber Gentlemen, Colonel Henry St. John and his Squire, Sir William, 5th. Baronet of Gore Bootby.

I have the newspaper record of his appointment to George 111 as Page.
I also have Lord Chamberlain records etc
eg Petch   William                                      LC
Page of the Backstairs CCR   69 71
Houusehold of Geo 111 at Richmond Lodge

eg 2   Patch    Petch    William      LC
Hair - dresser
CCR     70  71  72

and a few others

I have William Petch's taken  from Knightbridge for burial in Bunhillfields  24 Mar 1771

I have his Admons  but not a copy of his Will


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London and Middlesex / Re: William Peach / Petch / Peche
« on: Wednesday 30 July 25 10:37 BST (UK)  »
Thank you hanes teulu
I found William Peach's name on p.618 and a salary of 53 l per annum.

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London and Middlesex / William Peach / Petch / Peche
« on: Wednesday 30 July 25 04:47 BST (UK)  »
Resourced from R.O. Bucholz The Data Base of Court Officers: 1660 - 1837 was the name of a footman named William Peach.

Peach, William Footman to Anne, Princess of Denmark occ. Est. of [?1685]-July 1689 (Add. MS. 15897, f. 55; LS 13/231, p. 49). No further occ. Footman 6 July 1702 (LS 13/199, f. 10; LS 13/200 f. 18v). D. by 19 Sept. 1721 (LS 13/200, f. 57).

and my confirmed ancestor, below, where the Royal Household records also has his name as Peach:

Petch, William Page of the Backstairs 31 Mar. 1770 (LS 13/203, p. 82; see Papendiek Memoirs, p, 323 n. 59, for ev of app. Apr. 1767, having previously been a page to Edward, Duke of York). D. by 11 Apr. 1771 (Ibid., p. 92).

Peach (Patch), William Page of the Backstairs to Prince Edward, Duke of York occ. 1762-1767 (CCR [1762], p. 100; last occ. ibid. [1767], p. 94).  Vac. 17 Sept. 1767 on d. of Edward, Duke of York.

I have accessed Charlotte Papendik's Journal and she confirms with numerous incidents that William Petch was the King George 111's Page of the Backstairs (hairdresser), as her father Frederick Albert was Queen Sophie's German born hairdresser.

If the footman William Peach died  before 19 Sep 1721, then he still could be grandfather. rather than father as my ancestor was born c1730 based burial in 1771. [Folklore Lady Petch only daughter of an Earl]

My request for help is asking for others who may have better access than I, to find more about the William Peach who died before 19 Sep 1721, assumed in London; a possible wife; and children.

Keith

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Cheshire / Re: James Ellis of Wybunbury
« on: Friday 28 February 25 23:08 GMT (UK)  »
To the number of interested persons

Musgrave's Obituaries p.261 from the Publication of The Harleian Society Vol. XLIV records
Ellis, Jos. merchant 13 Aug 1755 (G.M.381) and I would like to suggest that this is the father of Richard Ellis, formerly of Threadneedle Street, but later died in Carpenters Hall, London Wall, my ancestor.

If G.M. stands for Gentleman's Magazine, then I had previously found in Gentleman's Magazine on page 125 [not 381] an entry
1757, Ob. Mr. Joseph Ellis, merchant Threadneedle Street.

Okay, to whom may know how I can further track down this Obituary for Joseph Ellis the merchant of Threadneedle Street, who died 13 Aug 1755 or even a burial record in London.

Keith

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Cheshire / Re: James Ellis of Wybunbury
« on: Thursday 27 February 25 11:15 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Grisel and others.

I have been off the service that starts with ancest for the past 12 months and I see that 233 people now claim Richard Ellis as an ancestor, so I think that I need to do some more research.

My facts are:

Richard Ellis died 8 Apr 1772 Carpenter's Hall; buried Bunhill Fields burial costs 13/6
His Will was written 8 May 1769 ... his daughter Mary Petch sole executrix.

Richard's daughter Mary Ellis married William Petch 7 Jan 1763 St. Anne Soho. Her husband was appointed Page to George 111 23 Apr 1760. Petch was Page of the Backstairs [Kings hairdresser].

Will of Mary Ellis 14 Jan 1823 Hoxton Square names my ancestor, her granddaughter, Martha Rees, nee Martha Tomkins of Carpenters Hall.

Richard Ellis, glazier, leaves Threadneedle St and moves into Carpenters Hall 7 Sep 1759 Minute Book of Carpenter's Hall (which also accommodates Tomkins and Luck), also my relatives.

Joseph Ellis died 13 Aug 1755 Threadneedle Street, merchant, assumed father of Richard Ellis as Richard Ellis also had a father named Joseph Ellis, formerly a chandler of Stepney.

209 Oct 1719 apprenticeship Richard Ellis, son of Joseph Ellis of Stepney chandler, became apprentice to William Carter, a glazier of London.

That is where I need to revisit and find the real father of Joseph Ellis the chandler who died in Threadneedle Street in 1755.

Keith

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Cheshire / Re: James Ellis of Wybunbury
« on: Wednesday 26 February 25 20:46 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Grisel
I have seen that this thread has reopened. I will look into the notes of my ancestor Richard Ellis, the glazier of Threadneedle Street, then Carpenters Hall during the mid and late 1700s, tomorrow.

His daughter Mary Ellis, married William Petch, a Page of the Backstairs, to George 111, on 7 Jan 1763 St. Anne Soho, Westminster.
Keith

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