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Sussex / Re: Walter Noble (1828)
« on: Saturday 15 June 13 18:07 BST (UK)  »
thought this thread may have gone cold - if anyone is still interested i have the last will and testament of Richard Noble, wine and brandy merchant  - Alfred and Williams' father. He was by then living in Thornton Heath, Croydon and left all to his wife Charlotte - and then it was to pass to his youngest Alfred. William is not mentioned. the Will was written in 1828 and he died in 1837. If anyone is intested i could try and attach it. it is hard to read due to the language but you kind of get the gist of it.

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Sussex / Re: Walter Noble (1828)
« on: Thursday 10 February 11 19:44 GMT (UK)  »
Found this in the Times London for 1812 regarding Richard Noble wine and spirit merchant forming part of a committee taking the West India Dock Company to task - makes for interesting reading about their plans. Copy was quite hard to read in parts but I have done my best to transcribe! Interestingly another one of the members has the surname Cawthorn - perhaps a family member of William Nathaniel's future wife? or coincidence? were they 2 families in the spirit trade perhaps?

The Times London 26 August 1812

Hambro Coffee House Aug 12 1812 – At a meeting this day of the importers of wines and spirits in the Port of London, convened principally for the purpose of taking into consideration the grievous injury and injustice sustained by them, their connections and the Public at large, from the monopoly of the West India Dock Company.
Walker Gray, Esq. in the chair.
The following resolutions were unanimously adopted: -
That security to property, reduced charges and facility to trade as appears by the preamble? to the Act of Parliament for the incorporation of the West India Dock Co., were its professed objects and promised advantages to the Public.
That the warehouses at the West India Docks are very much exposed to the influence of the sun and air and consequently quite unfit for the custody of strong spirits like Rum and moreover that there is not even sufficient accommodation, such as it is, to contain the whole importing: but that a considerable proportion thereof is left exposed for months together in the open air and that during the summer season when protection from the weather is so indispensably necessary.
That independent of the radical objection to the construction of the West India Docks, as far as relates to the custody of Rum, the distance is not only attended with very great inconvenience but the consequent increased expense of carriage is a tax on trade of no inconsiderable magnitude.
That the loss on Rum at the West India Docks by excessive evaporation, leakage, and waste combined with exorbitant charges grows and notorious abuses and mismanagement is not only too great to be any longer submitted to by the Dealers in Rum and their connections but that the said Docks, as far as relates to this important branch of Commerce and Revenue, are justly to be considered as a great Public Evil.
That owing to the frequent and great deficiencies, both in strength and quality of Rums delivered from the West India Dock, the merchants are assailed with perpetual complaints, none the less harassing to them from the consciousness that their connections have such just and serious case to be dissatisfied.
That the merchants, having no other alternative left, are reluctantly compelled for their own complete justification as traders, to resort to this pubic exposure of facts after having so long in vain, endeavored to procure redress by other means.
That a subscription be forthwith entered into to defray the expenses of an application, if necessary, to Parliament, or of such other measures as may be deemed requisite under the present circumstances.
That the Annual Subscription payable on the 1st Jan be entered into and ????? opened for the signatures of the wine and spirit merchants and others interested in that a perpetual fund may be established for the resistance of any future encroachments on their property and just rights, and also for the maintenance of the reputation and property of the Port of London, whether invaded by the monopoly of the West India Dock Co. or in any other manner: and for general purposes of the Wine and Spirit trades that the following Gentlemen do constitute of committee for carrying into effect the objects of this meeting, viz


Messrs   James Arboise      Messrs    Solomon Peile
      Thomas Bradley            Thomas Ramsey
      George Bridges Ald         John Keay
      William George Bunyon      John Scott
      Robert Butcher            Thomas Smith Ald
      William Cawthorn         Anthony Soulby   
      John Gowen            James Stonehouse
      John Gray               John Talver
      William Hayes            John Tennant
      Christopher Idle            William Timson
      R G Johnson            Joshua Watson
      William Mordall            John Wild
      Richard Noble

That a general meeting of the Wine and Spirit trades be held annually on the 1st Wednesday in January in order to receive the report of the Treasurer and to continue the members of the committee or select others in their room as may be deemed necessary by a majority of subscribers then present.
That the ??? of this meeting be given to Walker Gray, Esq. for his able conduct in the chair.
That the above resolutions be published in the newspapers and otherwise at the discretion of the committee.
John Gowen, secretary
Subscriptions received by Mr John Tennant, No 6 Tower Hill, Treasurer or by Mr John Gowen, No 59 Mark Lane, Secretary to the committee

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Sussex / Re: Walter Noble (1828)
« on: Wednesday 09 February 11 19:56 GMT (UK)  »
St Mary at Lambeth is now demolished and used to stand on Lambeth Road at gateway to Lambeth Palace. This must have been their place of living at this time. i have found a marriage record for Richard Noble to a Charlotte Wilson on 12 nov 1780 in St Marylebone Parish - could be them?

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Sussex / Re: Walter Noble (1828)
« on: Wednesday 09 February 11 19:31 GMT (UK)  »
Found baptism William Nathaniel Noble 25 May 1788 in parish St Mary at Lambeth, Surrey, parents Richard Noble and Charlotte Noble. Data originally from England Parish Registers 1538 - 1812 - wonder if this register may hold their marriage?

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Sussex / Re: Walter Noble (1828)
« on: Wednesday 09 February 11 19:22 GMT (UK)  »
i have ancestry i think still, will check it out but don't remember finding william nathaniel before with those parents - what did you put into search?

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Sussex / Re: Walter Noble (1828)
« on: Tuesday 08 February 11 22:53 GMT (UK)  »
Resurrecting this post if anyone has any more, I have researched a little into Richard Noble who was the father of Henry Alfred and William Nathaniel (Walter's father).
Original documents already mentioned here I think linking Richard to St Mary at Hill London and I have found that he ran wine and brandy merchants at no. 35 st Mary at hill called Baxter, Kemp and Noble for which he has bought insurance in 1794.
Henry Alfred was born in Camberwell and interestingly Richard Noble's business partner Richard Kemp is listed as living in Camberwell upon his death in 1798

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Sussex / Re: Walter Noble (1828)
« on: Friday 10 October 08 17:09 BST (UK)  »
Well done!! fingers crossed it might shed a little light!

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Sussex / Re: Walter Noble (1828)
« on: Thursday 09 October 08 09:45 BST (UK)  »
does anyone know how we can get a copy of the marriage of william to charlotte that happened in 1809 in brighton - that would tell us at least if it's the same william and charlotte from cuckfield?... wouldn't it? I can't remember who thought they had found the record... or where they found it?

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Sussex / Re: Walter Noble (1828)
« on: Thursday 09 October 08 08:52 BST (UK)  »
are you referring to William Nathaniel's death cert? If so - i already have a copy - info contained states he died 12th may 1840 agec 52 years in parish of cuckfield. occupation states he was "gentleman". Cause of death - inflammation of chest. Charlotte is the informant - death registered 15th may  - registrar was a William Cooper.

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