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The Common Room / Re: W&B in Occupation
« on: Sunday 10 March 13 14:29 GMT (UK)  »
I have this mad image of the local bathhouse being used after regular hours as a giant washtub.  Throw in the clothes, throw in the soap, throw in a bunch of kids, who swim around and act as "agitators", and lo! the birth of professional swimming.  A better job than being a mudlark, 'cause at least you'd be clean and warm.

John

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The Common Room / Re: W&B in Occupation
« on: Sunday 10 March 13 13:58 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: stanmapstone on Sunday 10 March 13 13:51 GMT (UK)
The link I gave is to the official census report. In 1891 Ruth Webb is a laundress.

Stan

It certainly looks like a period document... I'm bemused by the "Professional Swimmer" in the washing and laundry classification.  I wonder if it's easier or harder to swim in soapy water?  ;D

John

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The Common Room / Re: W&B in Occupation
« on: Sunday 10 March 13 13:53 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: millymcb on Sunday 10 March 13 13:35 GMT (UK)
No idea what the word before woman is though ???

Could it be a poorly written Char ?

Or Hir ? (is in Hire woman - not that I have heard of such a thing)

Looking at other words it looks like it begins with N though

Milly

I think I have it!  If you ignore the stroke through, you can see the first letter is a capital "W", just like the one indicating "Widowed" to the left.  You can also see the last character is tall, as it blends with the "wash" annotation above.  The original entry was "Wash Woman", but the "Wash" was poorly written, so it has been re-entered above.

And here I just corrected Stan, and now I see you say his codes are more reliable!  I'll copy his reference too, and use both as a cross-reference.  If the codes differ I'll add them together and divide by 2!   :D

John

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The Common Room / Re: W&B in Occupation
« on: Sunday 10 March 13 13:45 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: stanmapstone on Sunday 10 March 13 13:35 GMT (UK)
Occupations 1881, Classified Index
II Domestic Class, Other Services, Order 4 Sub-order 2, 62 Washing and Bathing Service.  http://www.rootschat.com/links/0t48/
Charwoman is 61

Stan

In the 1881 Census analysis document that Milly quoted, 061 is "cook, not domestic", Stan.

John

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The Common Room / Re: W&B in Occupation
« on: Sunday 10 March 13 13:25 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: millymcb on Sunday 10 March 13 13:18 GMT (UK)
Looks like the "wash" was written by the original enumerator as the W is the same as for other entries on the page eg in Webb.

But the W&B was written by someone else - possibly the census officials - when they processed it. If so - then perhaps the letters W&B stand for "washing and bathing" which was occupation code 063 in "Domestic Service" in the 1881 Census.


Thanks Milly, I did notice the difference in the "W" between the entries, but didn't know the codes were used before the 1911 census.  The referenced document will be very useful.  And I note that 062 is for a charwoman, which was an earlier occupation for this woman, so I suspect you are right.

Thanks for the help!

John

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The Common Room / Re: W&B in Occupation
« on: Sunday 10 March 13 13:04 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: stanmapstone on Sunday 10 March 13 13:02 GMT (UK)
Took see the census, it is Ruth Webb, 54, RG11; Piece: 1962; Folio: 56; Page: 3

Stan

Thanks, Stan, I know who the person is, I just want to try to decipher her occupation.

John

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The Common Room / W&B in Occupation
« on: Sunday 10 March 13 12:17 GMT (UK)  »
In the 1881 UK Census for the Gillingham, Norfolk area, I have a 54-year old woman who is transcribed as a "W&B Machine Woman".  This appears to be incorrect.  She has originally been entered on the original document as "??? Woman" (first word indecipherable).  Then "wash" (not "mach") has been written above that, and "W&B" has been written before that.  Does anyone know what "W&B" stands for?  I'm guessing the "W" is "wash"?  I've added a blowup of the entry.

John

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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: Edward Palmer Smith
« on: Saturday 01 December 12 12:29 GMT (UK)  »
Hi "Flyfree"... you certainly would be a relative of mine, in fact a second cousin.  I have a quite extensive tree for the Smith line, leading back through the Smith, Maskell, Dunster, Bierley, Redman, Warner, etc. lines, some as far back as the 1700's.  I have the asylum records for Edwin, and also some brief records for when Archibald and his mother and siblings were in the Taunton Union Workhouse (from Apr 1899 to Nov 1902).  I can certainly give you viewing rights to my family tree on ancestry.com if you'd like.  And I would certainly like to add your information to the tree. All I have for Archibald was his birth in Cardiff, Wales, and I show him in the 1901 and 1911 census - after this I lose track of him. I haven't been able to clearly identify a military service record, as there are many Archibald Smiths, but none with "Dunster", and I have no details such as service number, which service he was in, etc.  I can also send photos of your relatives descending from Cyril Charles Gray Smith, Archie's brother.

The story that descended through our family via Cyril was a fabrication.  When he was married in 1919 he claimed his father was deceased.  He also said his mother had abandoned the family and that his father had died of a broken heart.  In fact his father had been unstable and at times might have been violent towards his wife.  While he was in the asylum for the first time and she was with the kids in the workhouse, and after that period, she kept the family together.  Edwin in fact went back into the asylum in 1925, and died there in 1936.  Our great grandmother seems to have been abused in memory as well as in fact.

Hopefully eventually we can find out what happened to other members of the family, such as the eldest, Edwin M, born in 1891, Henry, born in 1909 (d.1975?) , and Ivy, born in 1905 (d.1965?).

Looking forward to hearing from you.

John

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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: Edward Palmer Smith
« on: Thursday 03 February 11 18:51 GMT (UK)  »
By the way, I have a birth certificate for Cyril Charles Greyson Smith on order from the GRO.  (1892 Sep-Dec Pancras 1b 15).  Expected mailing date 07 Feb, but from previous experience I suspect it will be a couple of weeks before I get anything.

John

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