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By co-incidence I have a record of the death but not from bmd. Robert Dodds death on 6 Nov 1841 is shown on the crew list for the Reuben out of Thornham I have just looked up at the NA. My 3G grandfather was a seaman on the same crew. I will email you details.

Carino

I thought clockmaking might help unravel the tree so I have done more web research, checked books in the Library and so far found the information about Sainsbury clockmakers listed below. I am trying to piece them all together with your information and the rest into a trial tree. The dates don't yet align. What are your thoughts? Do you have additions or corrections?

My speculative thoughts:

1.   Are there two separate branches by this time and the only immediate direct connection with your branch is that Hugh Byron (b1786) went to work for a distant older relation, Richard Matthias Sainsbury in 1813 following the newspaper advert?
2.   It seems unlikely although not impossible that one Richard Sainsbury would have spanned 1765 and 1813 and therefore it is probable that two Richard Sainsburys were Clockmakers in Bridgwater in this period.
3.   From the dates it is likely that three generations, directly or indirectly related, called Richard, lived, although maybe not born, in Bridgwater between 1760 and 1813, the last being born there in 1808/09.
4.   The information for 1682 and 1775 seems to be contradictory.


Sainsbury Clockmakers Timeline (1675-1861)

1675 Robert Sainsbury of Market Lavington, Wiltshire, taken as apprentice to gunsmith, John London of Bristol, who also made clocks.

1682 Robert Sainsbury was made a free burgess of Bristol. No known clocks with his name but may have learnt the craft or have concentrated on gunsmith side of John London’s business. See http://www.brianloomes.com/collecting/jlondon/index.html

1682 Robert Sainsbury, Clockmaker, Bristol. See http://www.paulhyb.homecall.co.uk/misc/CLOCKMKR.TXT

1760s, Richard Sainsbury is listed in The Clockmakers of Somerset by AJ Moore at Bridgwater. Trying to check.

1765 Richard Sainsbury, Clockmaker, Bridgwater.  See http://www.paulhyb.homecall.co.uk/misc/CLOCKMKR.TXT

1775, Robert Sainsbury, Chippenham, Wiltshire is in Old Clocks and Watches and their makers by F.J. Britten.

1775, Richard Sainsbury is listed in Somerset Clockmakers by J.K. Bellchambers showing him linked to Chippenham, Wiltshire in addition to Bridgwater, Somerset. Trying to check.

1780, Richard Sainsbury, Bridgwater, Somerset is in Old Clocks and Watches and their makers by F.J. Britten

17xx Richard Sainsbury, Bridgwater, Somerset, an 18th Century oak longcase clock at auction 2005 see www.invaluable.com

1806-23, John Sainsbury, Clock and Watch Tools, Cowcross, London is in Old Clocks and Watches and their makers by F.J. Britten; cross checked in PO directory where surname is Saintsbury. His wife Ann (surname unknown but possibly Davis) was born in Bridgwater about 1768 and is living in Reading supported by the Society of Friends at the time of the 1851 census.

1808/09, Richard Percy Sainsbury, son of Richard Matthias Sainsbury, born Bridgwater, Somerset, and later a Watchmaker in London from the 1851 Census.

1810, dated clock by Richard Sainsbury of Bridgwater, Picture on p74 in Clocks and Barometers: Buyer's Guide By Judith H. Miller.

1813, In Taunton Courier newspaper of 28 Jan 1813, Sainsbury R - clock and watchmaker Bridgwater, journeymen wanted.

1814 Hugh Byron Sainsbury, a clockmaker b1786 in Wiltshire, has a son, also Hugh Byron, baptised at St. Marys Bridgwater.

1819 PO Dir London J Saintsbury Clock and Watch Tool Warehouse 2 Cowcross St. Also coal merchants.

1821 Hugh Byron Sainsbury, a clockmaker b1786 in Wiltshire, living at 68 Compton St. Clerkenwell has a son, Richard Henry, baptised at Upper St. Independent Church in Islington.

1835, Henry Sainsbury, Bath, Somerset in Old Clocks and Watches and their makers by F.J. Britten

1835 Henry Sainsbury, Clockmaker, Bath  http://www.paulhyb.homecall.co.uk/misc/CLOCKMKR.TXT

1840-2, Richard Sainsbury, Watchmaker, 9 Wingrove Place, Clerkenwell, London in Old Clocks and Watches and their makers by F.J. Britten and confirmed by 1841 census.

1841 Henry Sainsbury, son of John b1805, is born, from 1851/61 census.

1851 John Sainsbury, Clockmaker, b1805 Salisbury, Wiltshire living at 7, Halten Place, Islington in 1851 census.

1861 John, and son Henry, Sainsbury both Clockmakers at Compton St. in 1861 census.

I would really appreciate your thoughts. I haven't forgotten the other points, look ups etc. will answer later.

Jim

Stan

To add to your point, I have read that Bridgwater, although often spelt in many places and especially by spell checkers as Bridgewater, is not derived from bridge and water as I thought.  Instead it is claimed it is a corruption/evolution of its original name.

Bridgwater.......... was given to Walter de Douay, one of William's followers, at the time of the Conquest, and was thence called "Burgh Walter" and "Brugge Walter," by which names, both signifying Walter's burgh or borough, it is designated in various ancient records.

From: 'Bridekirk - Bridgwater', A Topographical Dictionary of England (1848), pp. 362-369.
URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=50828#s20 .

I found this on a webpage about Friarn Street Bridgwater http://www.friarn.co.uk/FSheritage/chrono.htm :

In 1832, a fight near Mr Bowen's house in Friarn Street takes place at the time of an election. The rioters had got into his house and engaged in drinking and smoking. Mr Bowen, Editor of the Bridgwater Alfred, returned and was struck a considerable blow across the face which rendered him insensible. Meanwhile the riot progressed. The road leading to the house and "the street was crowded and sticks, stones and bricks flew about pretty lively". The riot act was read by the mayor, after which the crowd dispersed.

There is a mention on another web page of a riot in 1832 after a general election.

Could it be that a court case followed in April 1833 and witnesses were listed then or is it unconnected?