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Surrey Completed Look up Requests / Re: BEDDINGTON address
« on: Tuesday 23 December 08 17:27 GMT (UK) »
do i take it you are looking up the Hurley family from Cutrams cottages, beddington?
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The Common Room / Re: A mystery ??
« on: Thursday 02 October 08 21:05 BST (UK) »
the John you have found is the John Harvey Olney Silver I was talking about and I suspect that he did not have any children as I can never find any with them on the census records and his wife is getting on a bit.
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The Common Room / Re: A mystery ??
« on: Thursday 02 October 08 20:48 BST (UK) »
in case anyone is interested in what happened to Benjamin
Benjamin HEYDEN Head M Male 43 Warwick, Warwick, England Railway Goods Agent (Carman)
Sarah HEYDEN Wife M Female 44 Peckham, Surrey, England Railway Goods Agent Wife
Alice HEYDEN Daur U Female 17 Neyland, Pembroke, Wales Goods Agent Daur
Francis HEYDEN Daur Female 12 Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Abigael HEYDEN Daur Female 11 Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Caroline HEYDEN Daur Female 8 Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Edward HEYDEN Son Male 3 Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales
Ann JONES Serv U Female 28 Llangunnor, Carmarthen, Wales General Serv Domestic
James CLARKES Visitor M Male 27 Staveley, Derby, England Railway Clark
Catherine CLARKES Visitor M Female 22 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Railway Clarks Wife
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Source Information:
Dwelling 12 Brigstocke Ter
Census Place Carmarthen St Ishmael, Carmarthen, Wales
Family History Library Film 1342299
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5394 / 101
Page Number 14
Benjamin HEYDEN Head M Male 43 Warwick, Warwick, England Railway Goods Agent (Carman)
Sarah HEYDEN Wife M Female 44 Peckham, Surrey, England Railway Goods Agent Wife
Alice HEYDEN Daur U Female 17 Neyland, Pembroke, Wales Goods Agent Daur
Francis HEYDEN Daur Female 12 Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Abigael HEYDEN Daur Female 11 Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Caroline HEYDEN Daur Female 8 Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Edward HEYDEN Son Male 3 Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales
Ann JONES Serv U Female 28 Llangunnor, Carmarthen, Wales General Serv Domestic
James CLARKES Visitor M Male 27 Staveley, Derby, England Railway Clark
Catherine CLARKES Visitor M Female 22 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Railway Clarks Wife
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Source Information:
Dwelling 12 Brigstocke Ter
Census Place Carmarthen St Ishmael, Carmarthen, Wales
Family History Library Film 1342299
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5394 / 101
Page Number 14
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The Common Room / Re: A mystery ??
« on: Thursday 02 October 08 20:44 BST (UK) »
not having much luck finding my paperwork except I have found the notes I made about the Chancery Case of Silver v Bye in 1837 and this may answer a few of the queries floating about.
Plaintiffs in the case were Samuel Silver and others
Defendants were Thomas Bye, George Bye, Rebecca Olney (aunt to Hannah Bye, Ann Olney married John Bye ie Hannah parents) John Harvey Olney Silver (the trouble maker) George Griffiths, SARAH SMITH (sister to Samuel and at this time a Smith before marrying Udall) Thomas Heydon and wife (Hannah Haydon as found with Frederick and Hannah on the 1841 census. She was a daughter of Fredericks who married Thomas Heydon in 1831 at St Martin in the Fields. Frederick Joseph Silver (the son b1812 named after the father and grandfather) Ann Silver, Eliza Mercy Silver, Ebenezar David Silver, Frances Grace Silver , Mary Silver. Therefore it is most probable that the Ann and Frederick mentioned on the 1841 census are Silvers and are children of Frederick and Hannah, I suspect that the Benjamin everyone was referring to is Benjamin Heydon b1838 in Warwick (son of Thomas and Hannah)
If I remember correctly this case was about Ann Bye nee Olneys will.
As I said before Samuel and siblings were involved in many Chancery cases. Samuel was the exceutor of his mother in law Mary Innells will and was a nephew by marriage of Elizabeth Ives , who's will casued a massive chancery case that led to the changes in the law that allowed women to inherit and own property in their own right even if they were married. An original womens libber!!!
As I mentioned earlier about the 1881 census Sarah Milull (Udall)'s daughter Lydia Smith is 51 by this time so it is highly unlikely that she married and had children.
Hope this answers everyones queries and if I ever find my full notes and find anything else of interest I will get back to you all.
Plaintiffs in the case were Samuel Silver and others
Defendants were Thomas Bye, George Bye, Rebecca Olney (aunt to Hannah Bye, Ann Olney married John Bye ie Hannah parents) John Harvey Olney Silver (the trouble maker) George Griffiths, SARAH SMITH (sister to Samuel and at this time a Smith before marrying Udall) Thomas Heydon and wife (Hannah Haydon as found with Frederick and Hannah on the 1841 census. She was a daughter of Fredericks who married Thomas Heydon in 1831 at St Martin in the Fields. Frederick Joseph Silver (the son b1812 named after the father and grandfather) Ann Silver, Eliza Mercy Silver, Ebenezar David Silver, Frances Grace Silver , Mary Silver. Therefore it is most probable that the Ann and Frederick mentioned on the 1841 census are Silvers and are children of Frederick and Hannah, I suspect that the Benjamin everyone was referring to is Benjamin Heydon b1838 in Warwick (son of Thomas and Hannah)
If I remember correctly this case was about Ann Bye nee Olneys will.
As I said before Samuel and siblings were involved in many Chancery cases. Samuel was the exceutor of his mother in law Mary Innells will and was a nephew by marriage of Elizabeth Ives , who's will casued a massive chancery case that led to the changes in the law that allowed women to inherit and own property in their own right even if they were married. An original womens libber!!!
As I mentioned earlier about the 1881 census Sarah Milull (Udall)'s daughter Lydia Smith is 51 by this time so it is highly unlikely that she married and had children.
Hope this answers everyones queries and if I ever find my full notes and find anything else of interest I will get back to you all.
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The Common Room / Re: A mystery ??
« on: Thursday 02 October 08 19:11 BST (UK) »
Frances Grace Silver was born in 1822 in Brighton (the same place as Ebenezar) and baptised on 27/12/1822. Note on the 1881 census she is living with Sarah Milull aged 71 born Islington who is listed as her sister. Also there is Lydia Smith aged 51 born Westminster.....Frances does not marry.
Got to go sort out a problem with the daughters car so will try and get back to you later
Got to go sort out a problem with the daughters car so will try and get back to you later
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The Common Room / Re: A mystery ??
« on: Thursday 02 October 08 16:58 BST (UK) »
yes I am the one from GR who gave Jen? the e mail address.
I will drag out all my paperwork from the Silver's and see if I can answer the questions people are asking. I'll try and get back to you all later this evening.
I will drag out all my paperwork from the Silver's and see if I can answer the questions people are asking. I'll try and get back to you all later this evening.
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The Common Room / Re: A mystery ??
« on: Thursday 02 October 08 13:57 BST (UK) »
Frederick Silver b 27/1/1782 in Clapham married Hannah Bye (daughter of John and Ann) on 24/8/1804 at the Holy Trinity in Clapham. Their children are Samuel (1805-1856) Joseph (1806 b& d)
John (1808-1884) Ebenezar (1820) and Mary (1825) John was a bit of a trouble maker by the looks of things as he is constantly suing his siblings over money. He never appears to actually ever work although he lists himslef as a clerk which could have meant anything from being a clergyman to being an accountant.
Samuel was a solicitor and then becomes a vicar in Cambridge. he marries twice. Firstly to Caroline Innel and then Mary Bird. They have six children between them (including another Frederick in 1842)
Frederick senior seemed to own property in Symonds Inn,Chancery Lnae and Cheapside and was a member of the board of the European Life Insurance Company in Blackfriars (his son Samuel was too).
Hope all this helps.
John (1808-1884) Ebenezar (1820) and Mary (1825) John was a bit of a trouble maker by the looks of things as he is constantly suing his siblings over money. He never appears to actually ever work although he lists himslef as a clerk which could have meant anything from being a clergyman to being an accountant.
Samuel was a solicitor and then becomes a vicar in Cambridge. he marries twice. Firstly to Caroline Innel and then Mary Bird. They have six children between them (including another Frederick in 1842)
Frederick senior seemed to own property in Symonds Inn,Chancery Lnae and Cheapside and was a member of the board of the European Life Insurance Company in Blackfriars (his son Samuel was too).
Hope all this helps.
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The Common Room / Re: A mystery ??
« on: Thursday 02 October 08 13:33 BST (UK) »I am linked to this family via Frederick and Hannahs son Samuel (a solictor and vicar). The Silvers were involved in a very famous Chancery case Stubbs v Sargon (amongst others).
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Hi all,
i live on the continent and just bought a victorian mourning brooch which i found on a fleamarket which quite intrigues me. Its made of gold and surrounded in pearls with 2 different hair colours. Inscribed on the back is the following: To the affectionate memory of Frederick Silver died Oct. 7th 1864 in his 82nd year. Also of Hannah Silver died Jan. 4th 1867 aged 80.
Enough info. to find them on the census - only i'm not signed up at the mo. so cant access the actual cencus record for more details : -(
Does anybody think there are relatives around today who would be interested in it. Would it be worth the bother of trying to find anyone - what do you think. I've asked for help a couple of times before and have only met lovely people...so i wondered if you would enjoy a mystery. I just wonder how it ended up in the middle of Europe?
Regards
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