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« on: Saturday 18 April 09 11:39 BST (UK) »
As I go on...
I won't cross out any potentional information, especailly the Margaret Josephine Robb which on her birth certificate states her middle name as Joseph shown on the scotland's people search. I have to also remember that saying ther father's name is William, so is my father's adopted father. if it's not her, maybe the potentional another Margaret Joseph Robb- that her father's name maybe Joseph? Though not crossing out anything.
Having a look on my father's birth certificate and the consent that Margaret Robb gave her consent to adoption, both signature is totally different, the consent looked like someone possibly younger or not educated as known back in those days everyone has a writing sheet to write perfectly in standards. I'd say that the signature on the consent is her own and the birth certificate was written by someone who would be registering the birth - the Dundee library who confirmed who Margaret J Robb, given that she got married to a John Borthwick and a daughter- I should have checked the signatures.
And again what's playing my mind was the distances of all.. given that when Gerry showed me the reference link he found, the man there said transport wasn't very good as I'd be aware back in those days is quite difficult - thinking about him travelling to Hillington would be a bit of a journey compared now theres moterways and everything all updated.
And that there wasn't much cars about is what I'm aware which is bugging me.. I've tried to see the parts of where stobhill hospital, springburn and the way to go to London road- the old map shows that it's a bit of a way to go unless they did have a car arranged or thinking about what bus services would there be in those days seeing it was just after the war?
Lastly, bugging me is why isn't there anything for 1942 for any such information in Mitchell Library! I noticed some of the stuff I went through such as potentional schools Margaret went to, there was a gap and mitchell library said it could be that they were thrown out to make space or just went missing or of course stolen.
So it's all a bit of a muddle looking at these adoption papers. I wish I had a scanner and show them to you so you may pick something out! Especailly if one can read shorthand as there's one part of the paper I have that has shorthand and so far as many people I've asked cannot read shorthand.
I've emailed National Archives in Edinburgh again, as they were the ones who gave my dads adoption papers to court, now that I've got these, I've emailed to the adoption part, general and legal so hopefully there would be more information that I could find. The only thing I've just got popped into my head that lady in Mitchell Library mentioned try social work archives but I'd have to apply and don't know how difficult this will be as it was difficult enough to get an approval from court as its very rare that they do approve them even if it's medical related.
Mind boggling aswell to think was all this a smooth ride during my father's birth or was margaret really wanting to keep my father as given the dates during of all the court process.. my father was born in july, his birth certificate was done in August the 13th.. and the consent of adoption was the day before.. the 12th. All became official in October. And I'm not sure the legal wordings back in the old days or of any adoption proceedures, a petition to adopt... thinking of petition- is that the normal word to use to get adoption of a child or were they fighting for my dad- given also into account was that his adoptive dad was 49 years of age and his adoptive mother was 47.
And more to it was my dad did find out who he was when he was younger, the priest said to him to leave it be and that he's got his mother and father and thats it. So I don't know as that was one other thing that was bugging me as whether there was mabye a dark secret to it or just saying that to my father as he never did anything about it and that also the adoption papers were never opened since 1942, how did he find out his real name?
Well, I still am not giving up till I get some answers for definate, the only thing I would have to try is finding Margaret Josephine Robb's daughter, Isabella Mary Borthwick or John Borthwick if alive and maybe they can confirm it but how do I find them. That's something worth looking into. Maybe..
Whew! Hope I've answered everything you've said.... :S let me know if haven't.
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