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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: DNA connections through 5th - 8th cousin matches
« on: Wednesday 31 July 24 11:54 BST (UK)  »
It could well be that you match the 5th to 8th cousin on a different line as you suggest, or that you match the line of the grandfather's first wife on a different line - quite possible if everyone lives in the same area.

Another avenue might be to do trees for both the 1st and 2nd wife and see if they are connected anywhere.  Sometimes it may be necessary to go quite a long way back.

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The Common Room / Re: so why wouldn't he acknowledge her?
« on: Sunday 19 May 24 17:03 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: chris_49 on Sunday 19 May 24 11:25 BST (UK)


(I actually wonder if Harriet being enumerated with the Aitkens rather than the much less crowded Hancox house next door was a fiction to disguise the fact that they had a heavily pregnant unmarried teenage daughter living with them, from the enumerator.)


I assume that the enumerator wasn't checking everyone off against a list or even having to see everyone who was in a household, so how would the enumerator know that she was pregnant!!
They weren't collecting info on which females were or weren't pregnant.  ;D

There could've been any number of reasons why she was next door, it may even have only been the night in question.  She is listed as 'visitor' after all (not as boarder or lodger).

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The Common Room / Re: so why wouldn't he acknowledge her?
« on: Saturday 18 May 24 20:11 BST (UK)  »
I would be looking at the family Harriet is with in 1881, the sons with the family on the census are a bit young to be the father of Sarah, but do they have any older sons who could be the father and who might just be elsewhere on the census?

If so, then I'd do a tree for that family - I think if you put the name of a possible father in place (on an anc tree), then thrulines might come up with suggestions.
But if you create a tree for that family, then see what surnames you get, and search for that name amongst your matches and their trees.

(I've had a father living next door to his 'girlfriend' and illegitimate child, so it does/did happen).

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The Common Room / Re: so why wouldn't he acknowledge her?
« on: Saturday 18 May 24 19:36 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: chris_49 on Saturday 18 May 24 19:27 BST (UK)
Harriet was "domestic servant out of place" in 1881 because - I suspect - she was sacked for getting pregnant. She was staying - hiding? - with next-door neighbours. I've often wished that those employers had sacked her just a little later!

and is there a 'son' in that household who might be the father?

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The Common Room / Re: so why wouldn't he acknowledge her?
« on: Saturday 18 May 24 19:35 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: chris_49 on Saturday 18 May 24 19:21 BST (UK)
Sorry if that's not clear. My mother's first husband was John Edward Weyman, son of Margaret Manton who was the half-sister of my grandmother Sarah Hancox. So yes descended from Henry Manton and Hannah Gaydon. I only wish that I was still in touch with my Manton relatives but sadly not, and none of them has taken an Ancestry DNA test (there aren't many of them).

I realise that this is all surmising but I have little else to go on. My Manton match has only Northants forebears apart from this line.

So is it correct that John Edward Weyman is not your father?
Sorry I just needed to be clear, because if he were (as a Manton/Hancox direct line descendant), I think it would be impossible to unravel via dna, as you wouldn't know if any Manton dna were from your mother (if Samuel were her father) or from John E Weyman.

A suggestion I had in mind, and which you answer, is to test other descendants of Samuel and Harriet, to see if it is clear from the cMs shared, if they are full or half 'cousins' to your line of Sarah, your mother, you.
It would still be difficult.

Is the Manton match you mention high in cMs?

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The Common Room / Re: so why wouldn't he acknowledge her?
« on: Saturday 18 May 24 15:50 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: chris_49 on Wednesday 15 May 24 19:38 BST (UK)

My mother married her Manton first cousin perhaps thinking it was safe since he was only a half-cousin - was she wrong? (He was killed at El Alamein shortly after the wedding).


So is the Manton man your mother marries a descendant of Samuel and Harriet or a different branch of the Manton family?


The dna 'matching' to Hannah Gaydon might be from further back, eg if one of her ancestors has a sibling who marries into one of your other lines.
It's had to explain, but I've noticed my mom having shared matches where it looks like the paternal side match/share with the maternal side, I finally found the link when finding a female from the paternal side marrying into the other line, but quite a bit earlier than I might have expected.

Lisa

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England / Re: Adoption mid 1940s
« on: Monday 22 April 24 19:03 BST (UK)  »
Thank you all for the info.

I do know what became of the birth mother, and the children were adopted into an 'unrelated' family.  In fact we have only learned the name of that family from working out a dna match, prior to that we just knew the first names of the children and of course their original surname.

At the moment the circumstances surrounding the adoption are still shrouded in mystery .....

But thank you for your help,

Lisa

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England / Adoption mid 1940s
« on: Monday 22 April 24 15:15 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

I wonder if anyone can clarify the situation regarding adoptions in England in the mid 1940s, please?

Two siblings were adopted in the mid 1940s, I have copies of their birth certs, and both certs have 'adopted' and the signature of the superintendant registrar.  The children would have been under 5 years old at the time.

So my query is really about the 'kind' of adoptions at that time, does the possibility of a 'so-called' 'private adoption' still exist at this time, ie, where the birth mother (possibly) 'found' a family (not related) and 'gave' the children to that family?
And if that type of adoption did exist, would it result in 'adopted' being on the birth certs?
Both children did keep their first names, but had a new surname (they stayed together).

This probably happened close to the end of the war or shortly after the war, so I appreciate that things may have been done a little differently.

Or is the scenario more likely, that the children were removed from the mother's care for some reason (or she was unable to care for them and they were removed), and then either an authority or a children's home stepped in and the adoption was arranged by them?

Or is there another possibility of how the adoption could've come about?

Thanks for any insights into how adoptions were at that time,

Lisa

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Worcestershire / Re: Where was the chapel in Tibberton?
« on: Friday 05 April 24 17:47 BST (UK)  »
On the 1911, both Chapel House and Ivy House have a William Salisbury (+ family) as the head of household, both men are 'garden labourers' - they do appear to be different families.

So they don't have any connection with the chapel.

Thank you for your help,  I shall be looking out for further mention of the chapel as it is intriguing .....

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