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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Merchant Seaman on 1911 Census
« on: Tuesday 12 April 11 17:23 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much Hugh.
Good luck with your research too Neptune.
Good luck with your research too Neptune.
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Merchant Seaman on 1911 Census
« on: Friday 08 April 11 12:59 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much Neptune!
There's an address on the card so it's definitely my ggrandfather. I don't know what the numbers stand for either. There are numbers for Cert and Dis A but RS2 is blank.
I can spend some time investigating at the weekend, thanks again, it's so nice to have some more information to work on, I seem to have reached brick walls with so many lines now.
There's an address on the card so it's definitely my ggrandfather. I don't know what the numbers stand for either. There are numbers for Cert and Dis A but RS2 is blank.
I can spend some time investigating at the weekend, thanks again, it's so nice to have some more information to work on, I seem to have reached brick walls with so many lines now.
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Not really divorced?
« on: Friday 26 March 10 15:32 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Stan, that's very helpful and interesting reading. I'm still trying to find my way around the National Archives site, I seem to miss so much of the background information and it's so useful. 
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Not really divorced?
« on: Friday 26 March 10 15:17 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for so much interesting information everyone!
Charles and Catherine were married at St Luke's Church in Wallsend. To be honest I don't know how you would go about getting a divorce at that time, I'd always assumed you would have to get divorced in the country where you were married
Charles' parents were Scottish but lived in Wallsend, would it be possible for them to be divorced in Scotland? I don't think they could have travelled any further, I've been told that Catherine was living in such harsh poverty she'd jumped at the first chance to get married and escape. 
I've always wondered how and why she moved from Sunderland to Southampton too, I'll probably never know!
Charles later emigrated to South Africa taking two of the older children with him.
I imagine lots of couples found themselves in this position, it must have been very hard and I guess bigamy was pretty common.
Charles and Catherine were married at St Luke's Church in Wallsend. To be honest I don't know how you would go about getting a divorce at that time, I'd always assumed you would have to get divorced in the country where you were married
Charles' parents were Scottish but lived in Wallsend, would it be possible for them to be divorced in Scotland? I don't think they could have travelled any further, I've been told that Catherine was living in such harsh poverty she'd jumped at the first chance to get married and escape. I've always wondered how and why she moved from Sunderland to Southampton too, I'll probably never know! Charles later emigrated to South Africa taking two of the older children with him.
I imagine lots of couples found themselves in this position, it must have been very hard and I guess bigamy was pretty common.
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Family History Beginners Board / Not really divorced?
« on: Friday 26 March 10 14:06 GMT (UK) »
My Great grandmother Catherine Carpenter remarried in 1912, the marriage cert says she is the divorced wife of Charles Yeats (they were married in 1896).
She is still living with Charles in 1901 in Wallsend, Northumberland, by 1911 she's in Southampton with her children, no Charles.
I've checked the National Archives J77 collection and haven't found a record of the divorce. I just wondered how much proof was needed of a divorce before you could remarry at that time. Would it be possible to fib?
I can't imagine they could have afforded a divorce either but then I thought it might be easier just to claim your unwanted spouse had died, so why say divorced on the MC?
Any help, advice, opinions gratefully received.
She is still living with Charles in 1901 in Wallsend, Northumberland, by 1911 she's in Southampton with her children, no Charles.
I've checked the National Archives J77 collection and haven't found a record of the divorce. I just wondered how much proof was needed of a divorce before you could remarry at that time. Would it be possible to fib?
I can't imagine they could have afforded a divorce either but then I thought it might be easier just to claim your unwanted spouse had died, so why say divorced on the MC?
Any help, advice, opinions gratefully received.
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Merchant Seaman on 1911 Census
« on: Tuesday 16 March 10 08:31 GMT (UK) »
That's good news seaweed! I'll do that. Many thanks!
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Merchant Seaman on 1911 Census
« on: Tuesday 16 March 10 06:42 GMT (UK) »
Thanks so much for your help Stan and seaweed.
Stan thank you for the link, I had no idea it was so complex! The Miramar ship index is vast.
Seaweed - thanks! That's very interesting and looks hopeful too, I would love to find out more about James' career, he was a merchant seaman all his life, he died in 1944. My grandmother missed him very much when he was away and was always very excited when she knew he would be coming home.
I'll have to get to the Portsmouth record office somehow! I'm living in Ireland at the moment but I'll try to get as much information as I can and plan a quick trip.
Many thanks again - feel I have some chance of finding James now.
Stan thank you for the link, I had no idea it was so complex! The Miramar ship index is vast.
Seaweed - thanks! That's very interesting and looks hopeful too, I would love to find out more about James' career, he was a merchant seaman all his life, he died in 1944. My grandmother missed him very much when he was away and was always very excited when she knew he would be coming home.
I'll have to get to the Portsmouth record office somehow! I'm living in Ireland at the moment but I'll try to get as much information as I can and plan a quick trip.
Many thanks again - feel I have some chance of finding James now.
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Merchant Seaman on 1911 Census
« on: Monday 15 March 10 19:12 GMT (UK) »
Oh thank you Carole.
I didn't realise the ship had to be in dock. That explains a lot.
I didn't realise the ship had to be in dock.
That explains a lot.
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Family History Beginners Board / Merchant Seaman on 1911 Census
« on: Monday 15 March 10 13:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,
I've been trying to find my GGrandfather James Carpenter, (b1872, Southampton) he was a merchant seaman.
I wondered if the merchant navy was included in the military overseas lists on the 1911 census, I did buy one record (no birth year listed) but it wasn't the right one and all the others are wrong birth years. I can't find him in 1891 either. Do you think I have any hope of pinning him down in these years? I have no idea which ships he may have served on.
I'd be very grateful for any advice!
Many thanks!
I've been trying to find my GGrandfather James Carpenter, (b1872, Southampton) he was a merchant seaman.
I wondered if the merchant navy was included in the military overseas lists on the 1911 census, I did buy one record (no birth year listed) but it wasn't the right one and all the others are wrong birth years. I can't find him in 1891 either. Do you think I have any hope of pinning him down in these years? I have no idea which ships he may have served on.
I'd be very grateful for any advice!
Many thanks!
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