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Hi Colin,

I think we have conversed before about an Elizabeth Mary Charman born 21/ 6/ 1856 daughter of John Thomas William Charman who committed suicide. Think you were aware that she married an Alfred Keylougher aka Gare 30/6/1875 St Johns Waterloo Road, Surrey. Alfred was awol from the Army and it appears he and his wife were living at 11 Zoar St , Southwark under the name of Williams. They had a son, Alfred William Standen Williams born 11 Zoar St 23/4/1876 who died 8/4/1880 in the Norwood Industrial School, Lambeth in the name of Alfred Gare. Alfred had returned to his regiment and left the country  to fight in the 2nd Anglo Afghanistan War leaving the child in the workhouse. Elizabeth  had died on the 2/5/1876 at 11 Zoar St and her death was registered under the name of Elizabeth Mary Williams.

Regards Brian Gare

Hi Bryant.

Yes the first Zachariah died 7/3/1742 @ Nayland.

With regards to the Plampins there are several ways their names have been spelt but PLAMPIN is the correct version.

1841 census This is the Plampin family.

1851 William G Plampin was living at 155 Union St Southwark .

In 1861 William was living at 8 Henry (I think difficult to read) Place Southwark. The spelling for Harwich, his place of birth, has been wrongly indexed as Hucwich. Also living with them was their grandson Alfred Keylougher - the son of their daughter Mary Plampin (1841 census). Mary had by this time been widowed and had remarried to a man named Robert Gare. Alfred Keylougher and his brother Thomas took Robert Gare`s surname as their own. Thomas Keylougher is my g grandfather hence I am a  Gare not a Keylougher because of this name change! (I think Keylougher is probably a corruption of Kelleher).

In 1871 Sarah was widowed and living with her widowed son Alfred as his housekeeper looking after his 9 children that we know of. Alfred himself died in 1875. Sarah is noted on the census record as being deaf. They were living at 39 Southgate St Bury St Edmunds. Alfreds wife (this his second the first having died 2 years after their marriage) died in 1870 the year their last child Flora was born.
Flora and her sister Ada were sent to an orphanage in Bristol
and the rest seem to have gone all over the place.

Am still trying to identify the first wife of William Gage Plampin ie the first Sarah but am I correct in saying you have no record of such a marriage at Harwich?

Regards BMG

Hi Bryant,

Thanks for that. The PLAMPINS originate from Nayland and I have traced then back there quite successfully. I have the fische for Harwich but miscalcualted and  failed to purchase the fische for marriages for the period when I suspect William probably married at Harwich. I have my William Gage Plampin baptised 14/2/1787 @ Harwich. He  married  a Sarah which I suspected may have been at Harwich as their first William was born 22/6/1811 and buried 24/6/1811 there. They then appear to leave Harwich and went to Colchester where Williams wife Sarah died. He remarried shortly afterwards to a Sarah Gage who I think could have been a cousin.

Regards BMG