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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Adairs of Derry 1901 census?
« on: Monday 29 March 10 10:36 BST (UK)  »
Please can I clarify. Firstly apologies for my lack of geographical understanding. Private John Adair (14849 d 1.7.1916) was remembered on the Thiepval Memorial. My grandfather died at Ypres about the same time and I had mistakenly thought that John was in the same area when he died. However, William, John's brother, survived the war and so could not be the one mentioned on the memorial in Londonderry. William firstly joined the RIF as an army reservist at age 17 for six years then managed to join the Royal Field Artillery in 1905 at age 18 (declaring his sign up to reserves); I have the copies of the join up papers. The RFA was for a short service which I took to be 10 years - meaning that he would have been in the army during 1912 when the covernant was signed. I have assumed that brother John also would have joined the army at an early age. Both came from a very poor household and  I have surmised that the army would have been preferable to being a general labourer.
I think we established before, that there were two very similar families in Londonderry during the WW1 period, both with a William and John, and it would seem that there might be some confusion between the two. Sorry if I am giving you headaches here!
I think that my family,  headed by John Adair snr who was a general labourer and born in Londonderry, moved around a lot. I am guessing that he moved out into Tyrone somewhere and met his wife. I doubt they were literate despite the census stating they were, as my grandmother was sent to work at seven and never learned to read or write. Certainly around the 1885 time they were working on a farm (my grandmother's early years) and as both sons gave different birth places that would seem to bear out the theory.
I am still hopeful that more will be found - eventually! So thank you again everyone for your help.
CB

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Adairs of Derry 1901 census?
« on: Monday 22 March 10 15:49 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, sorry for the mis spelling. 
So it was a question of getting as many signatures as possible then? Assuming the boys were in the army, I still cannot work out where Jeannie was unless she married? I could not find her signature on the Declaration.
CB

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Adairs of Derry 1901 census?
« on: Monday 22 March 10 15:37 GMT (UK)  »
A little more!
William Adair, found in Strathbane area 1893 is possibly the correct one because I know that the husband of Eleanor Adair joined the army at 14 years old - he lied about his age so it is possible that William Adair did the same and joined up at fifteen. Also Tilly Adair signed the Declaration in 1912? Should she have been 21 in order to sign? If so she lied about her age too.
CB

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Adairs of Derry 1901 census?
« on: Monday 22 March 10 15:23 GMT (UK)  »
Well thank you again for your efforts and I am trying to piece everything together that I have, compared to what you have found. I have trawled through all  and found the following-
I think there could be mistakes on the census or else death documents recorded ages wrongly. Firstly I went back and checked and John Adair is recorded on his burial papers as being 63 and he died in 1932 (buried April). This would make his birth 1869 and not 1860 as the census suggests - one of them is wrong!  However, Annie Myers, my grandmother is recorded as being 88 years when she died in 1973 and her birth date of 25th May 1885 is also printed on her death certificate. This date agrees with the 1911 census age of 25 as it was taken in April before her 26th birthday in May.
I have the British Army Pension record for son William Adair which estimates his birth as 1891 and he joined the army age 17 with a birth parish of Donedheady, Tyrone. I believe you confirmed this one. His brother John died 01.07 1916 in Ypres pvt 14849 RIF. Details correct as we have original details and plaque from WW1. Ireland Memorial records 'Casualties of War'  list him as born in Omagh. I do not know his exact birth year but assumed he was older than William who was born abt 1891 so I am working on 1888/89.
The daughter Eleanor/Ellen Jenkins Adair  married Leonard Froude in December 1912. She died, according to her burial cert, age 68 in 1962 - making a range of 1892-4 as a possible birth year depending on months of census etc.

I never heard that my grandmother Annie had a second name
so Anne Jane is not the one.
One last thing, my grandmother spent the early years of her life on a farm, until she was at least six or seven years old.
I think the family might have moved around a lot and  I only guessed at Jeannie's birth year.
Regards, CB

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Adairs of Derry 1901 census?
« on: Sunday 21 March 10 16:38 GMT (UK)  »
Re the Adairs of Governor Road.
I do not think they are linked. I have a contact who has a link to these people and I think they were in a slightly higher social class than my relatives - at least I have not been able to make a link unless it is further back in generations. It is tempting to link them as family names of men are similar. 
I have found via a geneology connection, a John Adair  b1834 in  Londonderry, son of John/James Adair from Dublin (farmer and miller)and  brother of William Adair b 1836 (farmer and miller)  John   possibly had a daughter Jeannie Adair b around 1860 (she was I think, present as a witness to some legal papers). This lady could be a sister to John Adair b 1860 (there were actually twins in the family as Ellen Adair his daughter b 1892, was a surviving twin though her brother who died may not have ever been registered).
I am still hopeful that someone will recognise something here!
Thanks everyone.
CB

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Adairs of Derry 1901 census?
« on: Sunday 21 March 10 10:52 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for so quick a response. I am using the census of  1911- 47 Chapel Rd, Londonderry, which gives the ages of Tilly as 15, Ellen as 18, Annie as 25, John as 51 and Matilda as 56. It is possible that the children may be born one years difference to stated as other than Annie, I do not know  the birthday months. I had forgotten that there is also a Jeannie/Jinny as well, probably born between 1881 and 1888. All the girls (minus Jeannie)  and mother, were stated born in Co Tyrone. The records of William and John were military records from Ancestry and showed William's enlistment in the reserves (RIF) and then his regiment a short while later (Royal Field Artillery)- and the record for John (RIF)was from an army memorial.
It is of course possible that this family moved around a lot because the records for the William would have been when he was 17/18 and as for John - the memorial just says 'from Omagh'. This is all I have to go on at present.
CB

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Adairs of Derry
« on: Sunday 21 March 10 10:17 GMT (UK)  »
After a long gap I have managed to glean some more information relating  my previous postings at the start of this topic, about the Adairs of Waterside, (Ebrington Terrace, Clifton St and Chapel  Rd), Londonderry and would be so grateful for any more help. I have now found that contrary to my belief, the children were all born in Co.Tyrone. I am now hoping to find a marriage between Matilda (could be Jenkins) and John Adair possibly in the Omagh or Strathane area, Co Tyrone in approx 1881. I have a 30 year marriage stated on the 1911 census and one son William -stated on military records -that he was from Donedheady (Nr Strathane) and the other John who died in WW1 is recorded as being from Omagh. The father John was born in Derry approx 1860 but Matilda, his wife was, according to the census, born in Co. Tyrone approx 1855.
I am now guessing that John snr moved out into the Co Tyrone countryside for farm labouring work and met his wife there, later returning to Londonderry. I am trying to find a marriage for the parents and of course details of their parents, the wife's maiden name and birth details for all the children Annie, 1885, Ellen/Eleanor b1892 and Tilly/Matilda b abt 1895. If anyone can help or point me in the right direction it will be much appreciated.
Thanks,

cbrad

PS I need to confirm the dob for both boys too (William and John)

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Rutland Lookup Requests / Myers 2
« on: Tuesday 24 February 09 14:25 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you to Debbie for the look up information from 'Myers'. It looks as though the name has changed from Mears to Myers (or at least the spelling). Maybe the parents lived in a near by village? More research!!
Carolyn

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Rutland Lookup Requests / Myers
« on: Monday 23 February 09 13:49 GMT (UK)  »
I have a marriage for  John Myers to a Sarah Osband, both of Oakham, Rutland. 23rd Dec, 1782 and his second marriage to Mary Walker of Oakham, Rutland, 13th Nov, 1788. Could anyone do a lookup to see if I can get the baptism of John and the names of his parents. Any help appreciated.
Carolyn

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