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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: Fanelly MATTAT in Somerset 1851
« on: Wednesday 07 February 24 09:14 GMT (UK) »
Correction - I meant Nantes is in north west France!
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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: Fanelly MATTAT in Somerset 1851
« on: Saturday 03 February 24 21:45 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I'm only guessing but I suspect there was a church connection, and also that Fanelly was perhaps serving in Bath as a French teacher.
I can't explain the Aberystwyth connection - it just pops up in the National Library of Wales records concerning "the lease of 3 Laura Place, Aberystwyth, by Mrs Hunter to Miss Parry." The note presumes Mrs Hunter to be the widow of the Rev John as the bundle of papers includes his probate.
Fanelly's husband, James Evans, was very active in the evangelical movement of the early 19th century in the UK. His first wife was from the well-connected Scottish Carnegie family. He was a co-founder of a radical newspaper, The Record, which became the Church of England Newspaper in 1949 and still exists today. He later moved to Cannes with his first wife but she died in 1855. He married Fanelly in 1857. In 1864 he established Holy Trinity Church in Cannes, the second English church in the town. That also still exists, though not in the same building and is now the only English church in Cannes (at one time there were four!).
Fanelly was not a local lady - she was born in Nantes, in NE France, so how the couple met is another matter for speculation!
I can't explain the Aberystwyth connection - it just pops up in the National Library of Wales records concerning "the lease of 3 Laura Place, Aberystwyth, by Mrs Hunter to Miss Parry." The note presumes Mrs Hunter to be the widow of the Rev John as the bundle of papers includes his probate.
Fanelly's husband, James Evans, was very active in the evangelical movement of the early 19th century in the UK. His first wife was from the well-connected Scottish Carnegie family. He was a co-founder of a radical newspaper, The Record, which became the Church of England Newspaper in 1949 and still exists today. He later moved to Cannes with his first wife but she died in 1855. He married Fanelly in 1857. In 1864 he established Holy Trinity Church in Cannes, the second English church in the town. That also still exists, though not in the same building and is now the only English church in Cannes (at one time there were four!).
Fanelly was not a local lady - she was born in Nantes, in NE France, so how the couple met is another matter for speculation!
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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: Fanelly MATTAT in Somerset 1851
« on: Saturday 03 February 24 16:51 GMT (UK) »
Thank you again.
Regarding the Douglas Hunter daughter, I see that the 1861 census names her as Dorcas, not Douglas. However, her christening document (27 Jan 1824) confirms that her name really was Douglas, as was her mother's too. And the father was John.
An entry in the National Library of Wales catalogue states "The papers comprise a copy probate (June 1844) of the will (April 1840) of Rev. John Hunter of Bath, an abstract of title (1827-1844) to 3 Laura Place, Aberystwyth, 1861, and letters, Aug.-Sept. 1861. Mrs Hunter is presumably Douglas Hunter, widow of Rev. John Hunter."
It doesn't really help my wondering about why Fanelly Mattat should have been in Bath in 1851!
Regarding the Douglas Hunter daughter, I see that the 1861 census names her as Dorcas, not Douglas. However, her christening document (27 Jan 1824) confirms that her name really was Douglas, as was her mother's too. And the father was John.
An entry in the National Library of Wales catalogue states "The papers comprise a copy probate (June 1844) of the will (April 1840) of Rev. John Hunter of Bath, an abstract of title (1827-1844) to 3 Laura Place, Aberystwyth, 1861, and letters, Aug.-Sept. 1861. Mrs Hunter is presumably Douglas Hunter, widow of Rev. John Hunter."
It doesn't really help my wondering about why Fanelly Mattat should have been in Bath in 1851!
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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: Fanelly MATTAT in Somerset 1851
« on: Saturday 03 February 24 09:12 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Mabel!
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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: Fanelly MATTAT in Somerset 1851
« on: Thursday 01 February 24 20:46 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Alan!
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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Fanelly MATTAT in Somerset 1851
« on: Thursday 01 February 24 19:01 GMT (UK) »
Could someone with an appropriate access kindly look up Fanelly MATTAT in the 1851 census for Somerset? She was born, married and died in France so I'm curious as to why she was in Somerset in 1851.
I have only been able for locate her in the 1851 census index on one genealogy site: the other major sites don't seem to have the record for some reason.
She married a James Evans in Cannes in 1857. With Fanelly's assistance he founded the second English church in Cannes in 1864.
I'd also be grateful for details of any other people living at the same address as Fanelly.
Many thanks in advance!
I have only been able for locate her in the 1851 census index on one genealogy site: the other major sites don't seem to have the record for some reason.
She married a James Evans in Cannes in 1857. With Fanelly's assistance he founded the second English church in Cannes in 1864.
I'd also be grateful for details of any other people living at the same address as Fanelly.
Many thanks in advance!
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Staffordshire / Re: Clara Jane Shipley b.c.1880 - in Dudley?
« on: Friday 18 November 16 16:04 GMT (UK) »
Well, it looks like Jomot was right on the ball! I now have Clara's birth certificate, which says that she was born on 6 Sept 1884 in Newbury Lane, Oldbury, to Sarah Shipley, a labourer in a brickyard. No father given.
As Jomot mentioned, in the 1901 census Clara is a brick maker. And in the 1939 Register, her husband George Hawker appears as a General Labourer - Brickyard. It all seems to hang together.
Regarding their marriage certificate in 1906, where Clara's father is given as William Shipley, glass blower, deceased, I think the suggestion that he was in fact William Ro(w)e is a sound one. I have found a William Roe in the 1881 census living in Harborne. Both he and his brother were born in Smethwick and worked in a glass works. I'm guessing that was the Chance Brothers works in Smethwick.
Without getting Sarah and William's marriage certificate and checking his father's name and other details I can't be sure this is the right William, but the rest of the story is looking good now.
As Jomot mentioned, in the 1901 census Clara is a brick maker. And in the 1939 Register, her husband George Hawker appears as a General Labourer - Brickyard. It all seems to hang together.
Regarding their marriage certificate in 1906, where Clara's father is given as William Shipley, glass blower, deceased, I think the suggestion that he was in fact William Ro(w)e is a sound one. I have found a William Roe in the 1881 census living in Harborne. Both he and his brother were born in Smethwick and worked in a glass works. I'm guessing that was the Chance Brothers works in Smethwick.
Without getting Sarah and William's marriage certificate and checking his father's name and other details I can't be sure this is the right William, but the rest of the story is looking good now.
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Staffordshire / Re: Clara Jane Shipley b.c.1880 - in Dudley?
« on: Friday 09 September 16 16:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Sparkym5!
I imagine you are the person I've been discussing this with on another site. The Hawkers (at least, the branch of the Hawker clan that you are related to) were a lively bunch in Victorian times, having numerous dealings with the law. There is a hilarious account in a newspaper article from 1871 (I think) of a street brawl that is right out of Keystone Cops. Not just the men but some of the wives were involved.
I've found no evidence of a connection with the Hawker aircraft company.
Looking forward to more discoveries!
Pollux83 (Paul) (he, not she, Jomot!)
I imagine you are the person I've been discussing this with on another site. The Hawkers (at least, the branch of the Hawker clan that you are related to) were a lively bunch in Victorian times, having numerous dealings with the law. There is a hilarious account in a newspaper article from 1871 (I think) of a street brawl that is right out of Keystone Cops. Not just the men but some of the wives were involved.
I've found no evidence of a connection with the Hawker aircraft company.
Looking forward to more discoveries!
Pollux83 (Paul) (he, not she, Jomot!)
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Staffordshire / Re: Clara Jane Shipley b.c.1880 - in Dudley?
« on: Wednesday 07 September 16 23:22 BST (UK) »
Some good logic there! I need to think further...