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Hi Dave,

More for your list, if only a small entry!

I have an Ann Forrest, who married Peter Dunn, Ship's Carpenter, Peterburgh, Aberdeenshire 10th June 1804 and had two children, Helen and Peter.

Best wishes, Jimmijam

Hi there,

I've been having a problem this weekend, when typing a long message that exceeds the "message box", that the visible part of the message sort of returns to the top of the message, and then bounces down again when I type another letter, before returning to the top of my message. It means that I can't actually follow what I'm typing. To check the message I have to pause and scroll back down after each letter typed...

Its a little frustrating, and I've deleted some parts of a message in error.

I hope that you can understand my problem and if anyone knows what I'm doing wrong or how I can fix it, please let me know!

Best wishes, Jimmijam

Hi Sheila and Chiad,

Well, in for a penny, in for a pound...

I've got William Davidson's Birth Certificate, for 14th November 1860, of 43 Carrick Street, son of William Davidson, Coachman and Barbra Hardy.

I was really hoping for the name William Randolf Davidson... no such luck!

So once again, where was William in 1891, and 1901?

I thought I'd check for William Randolph Davidson in the 1891 census, using William Davidson, born Ayr 1860 as search parameters.  I also checked for William (Unknown) born Ayr 1860. Still nothing.

All that I came up with was these records, not even close.

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So right name, rough birth year, born Ayrshire, in Stranraer, father's birth place, grandfather's occupation...
But with his parents in 1901, so not ours
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Okay its a huge stretch!
This "Ferguson" surname is close to the Jane Fergus that married Thomas Hardie, parents to Randolph Hardy.
This William's birth location is Cumnock...(William Davidson's mother Barbara Hardy's birth place)
Lanark is closer to Dunfermline than Ayr
Is Janet a sister to William? William did have a sister Jeanie, born 1864.  Checked SP marriages - for Andrew Walt and Davidson, nothing, Also William Randolph Davidson's son Alexander Wishart Davidson's marriage certificate gave his father's occupation as builder's labourer, same as above.

So thats it for the time being, here's some final thoughts and questions...

There are no Davidson (female) Carney (Male) marriages on SP, nor did she remarry using her maiden name. There are 2 Davidson (female) Cairney (Male) marriages on SP, but they took place after 1940. So did Mary Davidson nee Black just take Mr. Carney's surname for her children?

Did Mary Davidson nee Black leave her husband, or did William Randolph Davidson die?

Also, going back over the original postings, Sheila, the William Davidson of Ayr, you mention that you traced him but he'd married someone else. Then later, he's back in the frame. Can you post further details on this (eg. marriage/death for wife/or wrong person)?

Could get Barbra Davidson nee Hardy's Death Cert, but it wouldn't necessarily give us further info, unless the witness was William Randolph Davidson's signature

So the problem still remains, like Monica said, linking the marriage certificate to a birth certificate and finding the elusive death certificate.

Best wishes, Jimmijam

Hi Sheila and Chiad,
I've had a look backwards and forwards on Ancestry through the latter part of the century for William and Barbara.

I couldn't find anything on the Davis angle, so I'm putting that aside for the time being.

It would seem that Barbara Davidson, nee Hardy was present in Ayr in 1861 and 1871. No records exist for her either after this period, either as Davidson, or with another surname (say that William Davidson, her husband, not present in the census, had died and she had remarried).

I then went backwards and forwards on William Davidson, spouse to Barbara, and children born to this couple. I wondered if they had all emigrated.  William and Barbara Davidson's last child Jeanie, was born in Ayr and I found her as a servant in the 1891 census. So no complete family emigration.

I'm supposing that Barbara died and had a closer look at William Davidson. Based on 1861 census, William Davidson, was born in Portpartrick, 1833.  As Barbara has disappeared from the census, I checked for William Davidson with his details.

I found a William Davidson working as a dairyman, with these birth details with Agnes Davidson in 1881.
It would seem he had remarried, as his daughter Mary (to Barbara) was still living with him.

So I did some checking and I found a marriage record on IGI:


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If this is the same William Davidson, this would give us a death date for Barbara as between 1871 and 1874.

In the 1881 census with William and Agnes Davidson, is William Davidson, born 1861, Ayr.

I went forward and William Davidson doesn't appear on any other census after 1881. However Agnes (still with Mary, daughter of Barbara) is now head indicating that William has died before the 1891 census.
Using the dates of the birth of William and Agnes's last child, and 1891 census, I narrowed his death between (1885 - 1891).

I checked on SP and found William's Death Certificate which gives us the following information:
William Davidson, Dairyman, 35 Kyle Street, Ayr, 54 years, died of Brights Disease and dropsy on 16th April 1888. His spouse is Agnes McLeod and his parents are William Davidson, deceased, Cattle Dealer and Mary Gray (?spelling), deceased. It gives his daughter Mary as Witness (wouldn't it have been great if it had been William Randolph Davidson?!)

Send me a pm with your email address and I'll send it on.

Now the names of Barbara Davison (similar to Davis as on her marriage certificate) and William Davidson
(did it give an occupation of William Randolph Davidson's marriage certificate? - yes miner mmm) and the fact both are deceased, link to William Randolph Davidson's marriage in 1893.

But, if this Barbara and William Davidson are the parents to William Randolph Davidson, then William senior's occupation on his marriage certificate would have recorded him as "dairyman" as opposed to "miner", don't you think?

So we're left with several options:

this is the wrong family for William Randolph Davidson;

there are two Davidson families living in and around Ayr, dairymen and miners and I've got the Death Cert for the wrong man.

Or, if going by occupations, I've traced the wrong man...

or William could have been delivering coal and milk...

No easy answers here!!!