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Cork / Re: Keefes from Ballyhooly
« on: Saturday 23 August 08 23:21 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Amy,

His mother's name is Mary Dunn on the record I found & although lots of Mary's in family, none of my his first 3 daughters... Really appreciate the link & will keep on looking! Cheers,

Pat

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Cork / Re: Keefes from Ballyhooly
« on: Saturday 23 August 08 15:21 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Amy, I did have 3 more throws on playing roulette last night and found that one of the Cornelius O Keeffe's (b1856) came from Fermoy and had a father Timothy...

Given that he would therefore seem to be the only match on the site, does anyone have a sense of how reliable this is?  My great Uncle Joe is pretty sure we never had an O, but as his grandfather couldn't write when he arrived he'd not have had too much control over the name... Also, I did ask one researcher for advice & they suggested it was a needle in a haystack as many men lied about their age by up to 10 years in the census information (it is consistently 1856 in both the 1891 & 1901 census & on his wedding certificate though)...

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

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Cork / Re: Castletown Roche / Fermoy RC Parish Regsister - Cornelius Keefe (1856)
« on: Saturday 23 August 08 15:14 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for that... until I find some more details in Cork though I'm struggling to know who I'd be looking for.  Cheers,

Pat

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Cork / Re: Parish Records - Keeffe - Cloyne (township)
« on: Saturday 23 August 08 15:11 BST (UK)  »
Did you have any jot with this?  I'm looking for RC Keeffe's from Castletown Roche / Fermoy and would really like to get some help focusing my search - can you recommend a researcher at all?  Many thanks,

Pat

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Cork / Re: Keefes from Ballyhooly
« on: Friday 22 August 08 01:24 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the link, I'll follow it up & let you know what I find out...
UPDATE: NOW HAD A GO WITH THE 2 1856 CORNELIUS KEEFFE'S (UNCLE JOE CONVINCED THERE'S NO O IN THE NAME), BUT HAD NO JOY (WRONG PARISH, FARTHER NOT TIMOTHY)... VERY TEMPTING TO JUST KEEP PLAYING ROULETTE AT 5 EURO A GO, BUT THINK I NEED TO NARROW IT DOWN A BIT...
As for Arthur, I'll see if I can get any more info from Uncle Joe. Cheers,

Pat

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Cork / Castletown Roche / Fermoy RC Parish Regsister - Cornelius Keefe (1856)
« on: Thursday 21 August 08 22:50 BST (UK)  »
Please can anyone help?  I have just posted most of what I know in response to Amy's note, but just to summarize the key points...

1. Cornelius was born in Co Cork in 1856 (although the 1891 UK census says PA, America - it also spells his name Keipe!)
2. In his wedding certificate to Elizabeth Williams in Wrexham in 1884, he claims his father was Timothy - a Collier
3. He signs the certificate with an X so would have not been able to control the different spellings of his name - he only seemed to settle on Keefe in 1894
4. He was a Collier and moved to Bersham near Wrexham around 1884. He left Co Cork and first went to South Wales - 2 other brothers also went with him, there names were Timothy, Jeremy or Patrick. One died in South Wales (possibly Bedwellty) and the other went back to Co Cork then onto the USA - most likely Wilkes-Barre, PA or Chicago
5. Cornelius was the only Catholic in the village of Brymbo at the time and walked the 5 miles to Mass in the Catholic Cathedral in Wrexham each week
6. He probably came from Castletown Roche, although Fermoy & even the Blackrock district of Cork have been suggested...

If you can't help on Cornelius directly, then any advice on where to look next would be gratefully received

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Cork / Re: Keefes from Ballyhooly
« on: Thursday 21 August 08 22:25 BST (UK)  »
Hi Amy,

Apologies for the length of this rambling e-mail, but I've been trying to find details of my great, great grandfather, Cornelius Keefe (aka Kiefe & Keeffe and a few other variations!). I think he was born in Co Cork in 1856 (although in the 1891 UK census he claims to be from PA, USA) and his father was Timothy (I have found his wedding certificate from 1884 - he could not write & just signed his name with an X!)...

I have found a few dead ends in trying to research him back in Ireland, but here is what I know...

1851/3 - In Griffith's valuation (compiled between 1851-53 in East Cork, see website link below), there is a Timothy Keeffe in the Naglesborough (I can find no record of this) area of Castletownroche.  There are no Timothy O'Keefes in Castletownroche and no Timothy's at all in Fermoy...

http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/cork/castletownroche.htm

1766 - At the website below, it shows a large number of 'Keff's' (including 2 called Timothy & Cornelius - father & sons maybe) in Castletownroche in 1766 - there are also a large number of Nagle's which might explain Timothy's address in 1851/53.  The 90 years between this record and Cornelius's birth in 1856, would suggest if there is a connection then they would probably be his great grandparents...

http://www.ginnisw.com/castleto.htm

1826 - In the 1826 Tithe Applotment for the Civil Parish of Castletownroche (Diocese  of Cloyne, see link below), there are the following Keeffe's (if this is the village we come from, then one of these would be Timothy's father)...
                                     Acres     Rods   Perches
John Keeffe                   56          0          2
Patrick & James Keeffe    14          3          37
Arthur Keeffe                 0            0          16
[NB: in Fermoy, there is only a Patrick O'Keefe with 3 Acres]

http://myhome.ispdr.net.au/~mgrogan/cork/castletownroche.htm

1832 - In the Mormon / LDS website, there is one record of a Timothy Keefe being born in Cork to a Timothy & Margaret Brosnahan

Cornelius (b1856) moved to South Wales, UK at or around 1882.  Although my great Uncle Joe (b1917, his grandson) is not sure that they all necessarily travelled together, Cornelius came from Cork with his 2 brothers (I don't know which definitely did what it could be the other way around and Patrick, my own name, has also been suggested as another possible name - at 91, Uncle Joe's stroty can change from chat to chat)...

1. Timothy or Timmy (who apparently died of influenza while they were in South Wales) - there is a Timothy 9 years Cornelius's junior living in Bedwellty in 1891 (Uncle Joe has suggested Bedwellty was where they lived)

2. Jeremiah or Jeremy (who returned to Co Cork. after failing to settle and went onto live in the USA, possibly Wilkes-Barre, PA or Chicago, IL).

Cornelius moved up to Bersham Colliery near Wrexham in North Wales on his own and was the lead charge hand there within a few years - maybe his expertise in explosives was one of the reasons the brothers had left Cork!

Originally from County Cork - Uncle Joe is not sure whether this is the Blackrock area of Cork City or either the town of Fermoy or Castletownroche in County Cork.  Having found that his father was called Timothy via Cornelius's wedding certificate, I think that Castletownroche is the most likely option, but I still need to research this further.  The attached link gives a history of Castletown Roche (described in Lewis's Topographical Dictionary of Ireland, 1837) which makes it sound quite like Ruthin (my home town in North Wales, UK)...
http://www.from-ireland.net/lewis/cork/c/castletownroche.htm

After some trips to Cork in the 1950's, Uncle Joe could not find any more details of the family ancestry! Uncle Joe recalls staying in the Victoria Hotel in Fermoy on one such trip (can't find details of this place on the web). He also recalls his Dad & Uncle saying that there weren't many of their family left and that they'd all gone to Chicago / Wilkes-Barre, PA. Including one cousin, Joe thinks was called Arthur, who had married the heiress of a jam & marmalade producer in Chicago. Young Arthur had further endeared himself to his wealthy father-in-law by observing that he was making poor use of the farm land he was only growing fruit on. Arthur encouraged him to introduce pigs to the land as well and this led to a lucrative diversification into pork products...

Hopefully some of this will be relevant and you may have some more details...

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