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Lancashire / Re: R.C. Blackbrook, Lancashire. Location of baptism?
« on: Tuesday 15 July 25 13:36 BST (UK)  »
I attended a funeral at St Mary's Blackbrook St Helens in 1994. From memory - Blackbrook is sort of on the edge of Haydock but definitely in St Helens
Hi Carole,

This is the kind of local knowledge that's in valuable. Thanks!

I'm actually from neighbouring Newton-le-Willows, but when I initially read "Blackbrook," I thought, "yes, but, which one?"  :D

Rowan Tree  :)

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Lancashire / Re: R.C. Blackbrook, Lancashire. Location of baptism?
« on: Tuesday 15 July 25 13:34 BST (UK)  »
As you say, the Catholic church St Mary, Blackbrook opened in 1845. There is a nice description of the opening, and of the church in "The Preston Chronicle" and other newspapers. However, there was a "Catholic Chapel" at Blackbrook before this which was still in use at least in 1853 (a wedding announcement).

The "R C Chapel" shows here on this 1845 map - or is this the "Church"?
https://maps.nls.uk/view/102344075#zoom=7.1&lat=2509&lon=4875&layers=BT
Hi Maddy,

This is fascinating! Thanks so much for looking into this.

You know, I hadn't even considered that there was a chapel and a church co-existing for a time. And I feel rather daft for not having looked in the newspapers yet myself. I've been using newspapers quite a bit recently but it just hadn't occurred to me to use them for this.

The map is brilliant btw!

I'm feeling rather inspired right now.

Thanks  :D

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Lancashire / Re: R.C. Blackbrook, Lancashire. Location of baptism?
« on: Tuesday 15 July 25 01:15 BST (UK)  »
More information with regards to St. Mary R.C. Church;

St. Mary Immaculate, St. Helens is on Blackbrook Road.

A Catholic mission was established in 1674 and the first chapel built in 1752. The present church was built in 1844-5.
It stands on land which formerly belonged to the Orrells, a Catholic colliery-owning family, whose red brick house, known as Blackbrook House, still stands a short way from the church.
In the mid-nineteenth century the house became a convent for the Sisters of Mercy, who built the Blackbrook House Industrial School attached to the former mansion. The school building was built in 1903-4.

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Lancashire / Re: R.C. Blackbrook, Lancashire. Location of baptism?
« on: Tuesday 15 July 25 01:07 BST (UK)  »
Thank you to both Shaun and Carole,

I appreciate your comments.

Shaun, knowing it's St. Helens, at the very least, rules anywhere other than St. Helens out.

Carole, I've just Googled "St. Mary Blackbrook St. Helens" and I can see there's a school called St. Mary's Catholic Primary Blackbrook. That's a great start  :)

Rowan Tree  :)

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Lancashire / R.C. Blackbrook, Lancashire. Location of baptism?
« on: Monday 14 July 25 15:15 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

I'm wondering if anyone can help clarify something for me.

I'm looking at a R.C. baptism on Ancestry. The transcription says the baptism took place at "Blackbrook, Lancashire, England."

Here's the rest of the baptism:

Louisa LITTLER
Bapt. 30th July 1854
Father: William LOWE
Mother: Mary LITTLER


Can anyone help clarify where exactly this baptism took place? There's a Blackbrook in Haydock, there's a Blackbrook in Parr, and there's a Blackbrook Road in St. Helens.

Louisa LITTLER was born 27th July 1854 in Ashton-in-Makerfield.

There's another Louisa LITTLER b. 6th June 1854, daughter of William LITTLER and Martha nee TAYLOR, bapt. 14th June 1854 at St. Thomas, Ashton-in-Makerfield.

Beware about getting the two Louisa's confused.

Many thanks,

Rowan Tree  :)

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And a copy will, fairly brief, proved in 1857, of a Matthew Twist of Parr near St Helens, with property and Twist relatives in Haydock. Who he?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DKRS-KWR?view=fullText&keywords=Haydock%2CTwist&lang=en&groupId=
I've been looking into Matthew TWIST. Matthew is definitely a TWIST and not a TWISS. The TWISS' and TWIST's may originate with the same ancestor, but I haven't proved that (yet).

I don't currently have Matthew TWIST b. 1793 in my tree, but I do have one of his brother's, Samuel TWIST b. 1776. Samuel is in my tree through marriage. He's married to Peggy/Margaret LONGBOTTOM/LONGBOTHAM. I'm a descendant of Peggy's sister, Cicely b.1789 who marries William FORSHAW.

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Among other things, there is an original will of Thomas Knowles of Haydock, 1833, which a mentions a Twiss sister and nephew
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DW53-WRV?view=fullText&keywords=Twiss%2CHaydock&lang=en&groupId=
This is great! Straight away I can see that this is James TWISS' uncle or Sarah TWISS nee KNOWLES' youngest brother, Thomas KNOWLES.

MODIFIED: Thomas KNOWLES wrote his will on the 8th April 1833 and was buried on the 5th May 1833. He died of consumption.

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Register copy! That's the phrase I'm looking for. Thanks, Jon. Can you tell that I'm fairly unfamiliar with wills..?  ;)

I'm about to check out the Thomas Knowles will that you mentioned. James TWISS' mother was a KNOWLES and he had a sibling who married a KNOWLES.

Jon, can I ask for your opinion, please? In James TWISS' will, he mentions his sister, Sarah FAIRHURST. I'm not aware of a sister or sister-in-law named Sarah FAIRHURST. Have you any suggestions or opinions on how I could work out who Sarah FAIRHURST is?

Rowan Tree  :)

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Thanks, Jon, that's really helpful  :)

If the James TWISS will on Family Search isn't a contemporary copy, then I'm not sure how to describe it. It's in a different hand to the original that is held at Lancashire Records Office and it isn't signed. Whereas the original at LRO is signed  ???

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