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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Thrulines
« on: Friday 20 December 24 00:22 GMT (UK)  »

Thanks for the encouragement – but the essential point remains.  A 17 cM match is likely a 4th cousin or half 3rd cousin.  4th cousins share a common 3.g,grandparent, of which we both have 32. I was hoping to avoid checking up to 32 separate potential ancestors of X to find out which one Thrulines imagines might be connected to her via DNA by adopting  a ‘bottom up’ approach but as neither you nor anyone else had advised how to I’ll assume it’s not possible.
I share 17 cM with X and 135, 112, 78, 59, 40 with A, B, C, D, E, and X shares 42, 23, 24, 21, 28 with A, B, C, D, E. 
X has many other shared matches and from the names of many of them I’m sure a lot are on her maternal line – and as that’s solidly Cornish: all were in St Ives back to the mid 1700s.  But a paternal great grandfather moved there from Bridport, and his line leads back to South Somerset – Bridport is less than 20 miles from the area I’m convinced my ancestor came from (Chard, Ilminster, Yeovil).  Indeed his father came from Chard to settle in Bridport.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Thrulines
« on: Thursday 19 December 24 23:10 GMT (UK)  »
I manage X’s test and am actively researching her tree for her – it’s a public AFT – so each earlier generation is researched and entered by me once I’m satisfied via appropriate source records.  I’ve already entered all sixteen 2xg.grandparents and have potentially identified but not yet entered the next thirty-two. Even though I’m pretty confident that only half are likely to assist me to pinpoint our common ancestors.  But beyond that (as our connection is likely to be a 4th or 4th g.grandparent) the circle gets very large indeed.  And all of those people will have been born in the middle of the 18th century or before.  Identifying even a majority by traditional methods is unlikely to happen.
I’m familiar with DNA Painter only as regards the Shared cM Tool – and I know little of WATO or Banyan, but gain the impression they test and evaluate various hypothetical links.  But unless I’ve really misunderstood their purpose I think I’d need to have already identified a hypothetical common ancestor – which is what I’m trying to do!

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Thrulines
« on: Thursday 19 December 24 22:28 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks.  I’m aware how Thrulines works and I already have ProTools and use the shared matches feature.  That’s how I know that X must be earlier connected as I can see her shares as well as my own with the other five.  None of those five has a tree any earlier than mine – indeed I suspect they all got the details in their trees from me in the past. And at that far a remove all of the possible shared common ancestors are ‘potential’ – and there’s a very large number of them.  So rather than follow each forward I’d hoped to trace X backward.  So as I asked originally, is that possible and if so how?  Because my connection with X is the first inkling I’ve had in over thirty years of a clue to solving the puzzle of the parents of my Somerset-born 3xg.grandfather, born about 1792, a Baptist minister in later life and almost certainly part of a large non-conformist community.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Thrulines
« on: Thursday 19 December 24 15:53 GMT (UK)  »
One of my DNA matches (‘X’ to preserve her anonymity) has only five other matches in common with me. I know who they all are, and they (and I) are all descended from the same couple – my 2xg.grandparents (so also our common 3xg.grandparents).  But X is not – she’s probably two generations earlier. I manage her test. Thrulines is essentially ‘top down’: pick an ancestor and the tool shows the matches that share that ancestor.  Can I run the tool in reverse, to ask it to show me which ancestor X has in common with me and our five other shares? If so, how?

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The Common Room / Re: Documenting images
« on: Wednesday 14 December 22 21:30 GMT (UK)  »
What I did was edit the EXIF data for the image on my local computer BEFORE adding it to the individual as a media item in FTM. And looking at the details for that media item within FTM I find it has the same text held as the 'description' for the image.  As you say, I assume FTM has extracted it and holds it as a field somewhere within its data structures, which is why it appears as it does once I sync the FTM tree with Ancestry.  But the fact remains that the original image that I downloaded from a different Ancestry tree and stored on my local PC now has permanently within it the detail of its provenance, and that information will remain embedded in that image if I send it to someone else. So the source in permanently recorded.  At least, that's how I see it . . . . .

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The Common Room / Re: Documenting images
« on: Wednesday 14 December 22 18:25 GMT (UK)  »
Indeed.
That's exactly what I suggested doing. But as for amending the actual image - less happy with that, I'd prefer to do that to a copy, so the original is preserved as found.

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The Common Room / Re: Documenting images
« on: Tuesday 13 December 22 17:17 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks but that’s not really solving the problem, as the original JPEG still won’t hold details of its source.  But following a Google search I’ve found a solution, which I’ll detail here in case anyone else finds it useful.  Right-click on the JPEG file, select ‘Properties’. In the ‘Details’ tab. Under ‘Comments’ add your source citation and explanation of provenance.  In my case I then attached that image to the subject in FTM as a profile picture, and sync’d to my Ancestry tree, where (when I display the picture via ‘View profile image’) the source and provenance details appear in the sidebar. Exactly what I want – an image with a proper source citation clearly visible to anyone who views it.

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The Common Room / Documenting images
« on: Monday 12 December 22 23:00 GMT (UK)  »
I’ve a JPEG of a photo of a woman named Eliza Ann Roe (born in 1880 and died in 1954) who was my daughter-in-law's maternal great grandmother. I wasn't sure where I got this, but I suspect it was from a website, and so I presume was uploaded by a descendant who has the original and is, in effect, the ‘source’. But who is that descendant and what web address would link back to the image I downloaded?  Had I made a note at the time, how best could I have linked that data to the image file – preferably in such a way that they could not become separated?
A search on Ancestry’s public trees does in fact lead me back to the mage I downloaded, and I can see who originally posted the image – more than 12 years ago! But the question remains. How do I document the provenance of the photo?
I use Family Tree Maker as my primary record mechanism, sync’d to an Ancestry Family Tree. In FTM I can add a ‘Description’ to the photo to document the source, but that doesn’t appear to upload to the AFT – or if it does I can’t find it!

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I emailed David Hale (the site owner) on 13 Jan and he replied later in the day (he's in Australia) saying

"Yes, the MAPCO website is down, for both technical and financial reasons. It is generating too much traffic and server load, and the only way to address this was to close the site.
At this stage I am uncertain when, or if, it will return."

I replied saying

"Hello David
I'm truly sorry to hear that.  I've been using and recommending your site for several years - it's invaluable.  Clearly the technical issues of traffic and server load are a consequence of its success.
Sadly I didn't think (as I suppose did most others) that there might be a funding issue.  Is there anything that can be done to assist?  I'm quite certain I wouldn't be alone in saying that I'd happily contribute (either once off or more regularly) if that would help."

I haven't had a reply.

Dick Mathews

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