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Dunbartonshire / Re: Some Duntocher laddies
« on: Sunday 08 November 15 19:55 GMT (UK)  »
Hi peeps,

Not been on here in a while, wondering if any of you guys can help with this Duntocher photo. We beleave that the boy second from the left on the front row may be my grandfather. the photo might be Duntocher public school or the scouts. We reckon it's mid 30s.
Can anyone claim any of these boys ?

Thanks

AC

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Dunbartonshire / Re: Some Duntocher laddies
« on: Monday 01 February 10 17:27 GMT (UK)  »
No problem Griogair,

We might as well put his village cliquishness to good use while we still can. Anything from the 20s onwards.

As for the "Black Diamond", I did manage to find some info on this. It apparently started amongst a group who worked and frequented the old Hibs park.
It was initiated by a well known village character called "William"(I think) Boyd, a well known village prankster and major player in the parks construction during the depression.

It was apparently started as a kind of mock Masonic club for a laugh and took place in the hibby groundsmans shed. The entrance fee was a piece of coal which would have been stolen from the adjacent primary school bunker, hence the "Black Diamond".
There was a pecking order with Boyd as chairman and another guy as Grand Wizard ! Outside the gathering they would mix in the pubs and shops as normal with no mention of the club. If someone was said to have spoke of the club or the grand wizard was physically touched by a member during the day or in the pub, that member would face a kangaroo court at the club that night, where Boyd would wear a knitted wig and dish out some kind of painful or embarrassing punishment in front of the other members.

This might all seem like a bit of a laugh, but I know for a fact that the "black diamond" grew to a point where there were new larger premises rented to fit all members.
The BD lasted for decades I'm told.
I know many of the names of members and rented venue which still exists today but many people still seem to be unwilling to talk about it. One old guy even advised me "Don't ask daft questions about stuff that's long dead son".

This has left me even more intrigued.

The badge of the "new" duntocher hibs juniors has a Black diamond as part of the motif, I think there is a misconception that local fans were so poor that the would gain entrance to the games with a lump of coal. This was never the case as poorer fans would have been allowed in for free.
does the "Black Diamond " still have an influence ??

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Dunbartonshire / Re: Some Duntocher laddies
« on: Wednesday 23 September 09 09:49 BST (UK)  »
There are also Gillans still living in the village. Im assuming that your Father/uncles etc were from the village ?

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Dunbartonshire / Re: Some Duntocher laddies
« on: Monday 07 September 09 09:30 BST (UK)  »
I know of Cassidy's and Kelly's that still stay in the village but will ask My grandfather about your other family members. He should know them, the village was pretty tight before the 50's and 60's

Cheers

AC

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Dunbartonshire / Re: Some Duntocher laddies
« on: Wednesday 12 August 09 13:33 BST (UK)  »
showed these photos to my grandfathew William John Connelly who recognised the two Thomson brothers and believes one of them later moved to Aukintoshan av and may have died there. He also recognised the tallest guy second from the right back row as Borland Black, a well known chap who can be seen taking centre stage in the second photo. The guy on the far bottom right is one of the McKinleys who stayed at Hornes land.

He recognises the back court of the cottages that used to line the north side of dumbarton road where the shops at the cammeron house now stand, which would tie in nicely with the Quoiting club explanation. The remains of the quoiting green and clubhouse can still be seen hidden amoungst the trees.

Has anyone heard the legend of the Black diamond club in duntocher ?

It may have been secritive and would have had a Grand Master and pecking order etc. Little is known about this, but older relatives may have heard of some of the violent initiation ceremonys.

Cheers

AC


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Dunbartonshire / Re: Thomson - Duntocher
« on: Wednesday 12 August 09 12:02 BST (UK)  »
The building lay derelict for years and was more officially known as old Mill Lodge.
The Farmer used it for many years for storing potatoes.

This info was from my grandfather William John Connelly, who also knows the woman in the photograph, Annie McBride. He was good pals with a "Birdy" Mcbride who he believes was her slightly younger brother.
He mentioned she moved to davies square.

Could you clear up the real name of "Birdie" McBride ?

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Dunbartonshire / Re: Thomson - Duntocher
« on: Wednesday 05 August 09 11:57 BST (UK)  »
Hi

Not sure how it was pronounced or spelled. It could have been full of daddy long legs ("Jeeny" long legs) or an old tale of a Genie from a lamp, or could have housed a woman called Jean ??

Its an amazing part of the village still, you can walk down the old st(Burnbrea, cobbles still visible) and see the old mill in ruins at the bottom. Not much left of it but the huge tunnel the burn runs under gives an idea of the scale of the origional mill. Once a very important part of the community.

"Duntocher Mill spanned the Duntocher Burn to the north of the Great Western Road Bridge. It was built in 1786 for the manufacture of coarse woollens, but it did not prosper and was unoccupied when William Dunn purchased it in 1808. Dunn converted it to produce cotton goods but, like his other mills, it ran into trouble in the 1860s when supplies of raw cotton dried up during the American Civil War. It continued under different owners, making yarn and thread until the 1920s."

I would imagine the Genny Houses were built for the workers of this mill or the Iron works situated at the other end of Burnbrea.

I will get on to My old Granda who has a wealth of local knowledge.

Speak to you soon

AC

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Dunbartonshire / Re: Thomson - Duntocher
« on: Tuesday 04 August 09 11:00 BST (UK)  »
Hi guys

Finally finished Uni and have started looking up my family tree.

Here is a pic of the gennie hoose on its last legs in 1965 taken from my old house at 9 old st.

My family that stayed there were named Rooney, not Coyle.

I am now staying back in the village, so if you need any photos or info from some of my older family members give me a shout

cheers

AC

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Dunbartonshire / Re: Thomson - Duntocher
« on: Tuesday 12 August 08 11:47 BST (UK)  »
Hi Debbie,

This is the best picture of the "Jenny/Gennie hoos" that I have seen.
I grew up in the flat in the background (9 Old St). My fathers uncle came over from Derry to check out the family history. They are also registered at this address. I have an older B&W photo of the house circa 1950. I will send this on to him if thats ok.
Do you have any more info on this place, from what I hear it wasnt a very nice place to stay.

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