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Cork / Smyth/Smith from Fermoy, Cork,
« on: Thursday 21 August 08 17:09 BST (UK)  »
Hi I am trying to trace a GGG Granfather call Phillip Smyth or Smith born in 1801 in Fermoy, Cork,

He moved to Monmouth and married a Sarah Thomas, but I can not find any info on his family in Ireland.

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Mayo / Re: Burns - Costello
« on: Thursday 21 August 08 16:22 BST (UK)  »
It's hard I know and as we have said Castlebar could mean a who area and I would still wonder re both Mayo - presumably they didn't enter place of birth in any other census.
Funnily enough I live in Oldham with Mayo family too- it was my dad though so later times than censuses.
Sorry to harp on about it but do the witnesses not give clues?

They signed with a X One was Patrick Smith and I can not read the other name, but there is no other details.

I have gone back to the 1841 Census looking up Patrick Costello (or near name) and there are two or three had daughters called Bridget, but not near her DOB. I have done thesame for Bridget, with father Patrick, but no luck.
So if they married ages 21 in Rotherham, why did they not marry in Ireland?, if they lived in England why do not any links come up on the 1861 census, and both fathers were dead by 1871, so I can not trace their family in England in 1871.
So both families could have left Ireland in/after1861, they must have lived in the rotherham area to marry there, and met in the mid 1860s and married in 1868.

The strange thing is, the witnesses did not have their names, so the families may not have come over from Ireland?. As they say "more questions than answers. !!!!

Do you live in Oldham, or Heywood? I worked there in the 60s.

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Mayo / Re: Burns - Costello
« on: Thursday 21 August 08 13:37 BST (UK)  »
They lived in Rotherham, which I knew, and I have them traced on all cenus from 1871 to 1901 where they lived in Oldham. I have the info this end, it is before they married, and lived in Ireland that I am searching out.

On one of their sons Birth Cert it said Mayo, and a aunty knew thew lived in Castlebar, but as they married in Rotherham did they both live in Castlebar, or just one of them?

I now have both their fathers names John Byrne and Patrick Costello.

They changed their (Martin and Bridget) names in England to Burns on the 1901 census, but on that they also said all of the children were born in Oldham, which we know is not true.

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Mayo / Re: Burns - Costello
« on: Thursday 21 August 08 09:44 BST (UK)  »

At least you have something - their marriage record. are the witnesses family at all- would they give any more clues? No one called Smith !!

Does it say on the certificate that they are from Castlebar ?  NO


Realistically it is going to be difficult now- Castlebar could mean the town itself or the wider area. I look on Google, and it could be any one from about 60 villages in that area
regards

It does not help that they keep changing the spelling of their name.

We are coming over next summer, and see if we can trace anything before then that could help us.

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Mayo / Re: Birth Record, 1840s - Ready family
« on: Wednesday 20 August 08 14:56 BST (UK)  »
Hi it seems in those days because people were very poor, to put a young child in a grave with other people. I have one (found out this year) in with a gg granmother. It told me on the grave records. Mine was in 1909.

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Mayo / Re: Burns - Costello
« on: Wednesday 20 August 08 14:20 BST (UK)  »
I have the copy of the Marriage Cert.
Bridget Costella father was called Patrick, so it is not the one I found as that was John.

Martins father was called John Byrne, both were dead in 1848.

I think I am now up a blind alley as I do not know just where they came from except Castlebar, and born about 1848.

Thanks for the help.

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Mayo / Re: Burns - Costello
« on: Wednesday 13 August 08 12:01 BST (UK)  »
Like they say "it is another stone in the wall" :)

I found on this site a in 1832  Jno COSTELLO married to Bridget CHRISTOPHER April 1

It may just give me both these surnames.

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Mayo / Re: Burns - Costello
« on: Wednesday 13 August 08 10:34 BST (UK)  »
Hi thanks for that.
I have sent off for the marriageCert, and it may show me something, as on one of her sons it says from Mayo Ireland for Bridget.

We were told they came over from Ireland and were married in Ireland.

It will show me the fathers names, so i will know if it is the ones I asked about on my first post.

On the English census they changed their surname every time !!!
from Burns, to Byrne, to Bines, and back to Burns.

Thanks for the help, and will report back when I get the Cert which they are posting on 19th Aug.


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Mayo / Re: Burns - Costello
« on: Saturday 09 August 08 23:25 BST (UK)  »
Hi thanks for the reply.

On her sons Birth Cert it said "Mayo Ireland" for where the mother was born.

On the name Burns, there are none listed on the Marriage page on this site. I looked on another site thinking I would see lots of Burns, but found none. On the 1881 English census the family is called Bryne, but not on the 1871, 1891 or the 1901.

I do not have proof that is why i asked the question

I found on this site a in 1832  Jno COSTELLO married to Bridget CHRISTOPHER April 1

Could this have been her mother and father. He had her name, and his wife had her first name.

I was hoping that somebody may have them in their family tree.

Martin and Bridget would have been married after 1864, as she would have been only 14 then.

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