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I've just found an obit dated 15 Nov 1839, in the Nottingham Review:

DIED: On Wednesday week, in Mansfield Workhouse, aged 70 years, Benjamin Armstrong, framework knitter"

-- which I think confuses the issue a little as we don't have a note of a FWK before this. Does this mean that Benjamin the stonemason, husband of Ann, died somewhere or someplace else?

Another obit: Nott Guardian, Thurs June 30 1859: At Mansfield, on Tuesday week, aged 83, Ann, widow of Mr Benjamin Armstrong.

There's the summary of the inquest held on William Armstrong's son Henry (Nott Mercury, may 5 1848), the verdict from which was "Died in consequence of being accidentally crushed by a stone roller".

Another obit: Mansfield reporter, 13 Jan 1893: DIED: On the 9th inst, at Keir's buildings, Mansfield, Frances, widow of William Armstrong, aged 84 years.

Well, Ann died in 1838 and was the wife of Benjamin, a stonemason.

Benjamin stonemason died 1839, given age 70 so yob 1769 (ish!) He died in the union house. But Ann, his wife, died at Chesterfield Road, which is where William and his family lived, so what with that and William also being a stonemason, it's a good bet that this Benjamin and Ann were William's parents.

But which couple were they? There are no baptisms to Benjamin and Mary, all the relevant baptisms have Ann as the mother's name.

So in summary it seems that ONE Benjamin married Ann Wilcock in 1795, and they were the parents of Mary, Ann and Hannah.

The OTHER Benjamin, having been widowed, married Ann Wordsworth in 1799.

Either couple could then be the parents of Anna (1801) and William (1803). Frustratingly no father's occupation is given on my cd for any of these children at baptism.

Ann's age was given as 80 when she died in 1838, and stonemason Benjamin was 70 the following year.  So her yob might have been around 1758, making her quite old in reproductive terms when she married Benjamin in either 1795 or 1799. Not too old to have children, but perfectly old enough to have been married previously - and I can't see a baptism for either Ann (Wilcock or Wordsworth) in Mansfield (although of course she may have come from elsewhere).

If you want to try to trace any of the children of either couple, just in case it offers any further clues, these are possible marriages at Mansfield:
1818 11 24   Thomas   COUSINS   Mary   ARMSTRONG   
1824 09 14   James   WILSON   Hannah   ARMSTRONG   

What I CAN'T see in Mansfield is a marriage or burial for Ann Armstrong b 1797, or a burial for Ann the wife of the ag lab Benjamin.

Going back another generation, baptisms to Benjamin and Ann Armstrong, all Mansfield

   1796 05 11      Mary   
   1797 10 23      Ann   
   1799 09 25      Hannah   (burial of Anna, age 6 months, in April 1800)
   1801 04 08      Anna   
   1803 08 08      William   

There was a burial on 6.2.1799 of 26 year old Mary, wife of Benjamin Armstrong - but none of the above had a mother named Mary.

I suspect there may have been 2 Benjamins, with 3 marriages between them, because of this.
Marriages, all at Mansfield:

Date of Marriage   Groom's First Name   Groom's Surname   Bride's First Name   Bride's Surname   Parish Name
1794 09 04   Benjamin   ARMSTRONG   Mary   PAILTHORPE   
1795 08 27   Benjamin   ARMSTRONG   Ann   WILCOCK   
(first baptisms to Benjamin and Ann start in 1796)
(Mary, wife of Benjamin, dies Feb 1799 age 26)
1799 08 29   Benjamin   ARMSTRONG   Ann   WORDSWORTH   

It's my mother's paternal line that is "missing". Her maiden surname was a name which described an ancestor's trade, and I can quite easily trace the line on paper back to the 1700s in the midlands. I reckon they were bog standard Anglo-Viking stock.

I remembered late last night that my mum had her DNA done too so I looked at that. She does have hits on her paternal line (phew!!) but someone who I was in touch with long before DNA testing, who is my mum's 2nd cousin x1 removed, still only shares 48cm with her.

She was an only child. Her father was the only one of his siblings to have a child who reached reproductive age. Her grandfather had a brother who had children; but again, there were only 2 of them in that generation.

So maybe it's just that I don't have enough cousins on that line who are close enough to show up convincingly on DNA testing!

Hi
From the Shipping records his DOB is 15 Jan 1905.
I can see an Albert Roland Green same birth date mother Louise on the London School records.
Portman Place School Tower Hamlets
Sister Louise 14.3.1903 address 19 Key St

Mother seems to be a Louise Marie Green born 1869 nee Montgomery .Not seeing a father John though.
Her father is Robert Montgomery builder.
Albert Roland is christened Green father Walter printer's lab but he is registered as Albert Roland Wall Mar 1905  Mile End.

Ciderdrinker

Thanks, I'll certainly look into this; can you clarify which shipping records you saw this in please?