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Flintshire / Re: Poole/Owen marriage, Llanasa 1805
« on: Friday 21 June 13 15:09 BST (UK)  »
Wilcoxon,

Great information, many thanks for your help!  Where are you finding these documents?  They are very interesting.

Mary

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Flintshire / Re: Poole/Owen marriage, Llanasa 1805
« on: Thursday 20 June 13 22:59 BST (UK)  »
wilcoxon,

I wonder if this Dorothy Poole is the mother, grandmother or aunt to Peter Poole's father, John Poole (married in 1781)?  It could be his mother from a first marriage and then she married a guy with the last name Morris?  They have got to be related somehow because of the location and timing. There are just not that many Poole's around that area. I have never heard that term "in other wise" for a name description.  Any guesses as to what was meant by that?

Mary

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Flintshire / Re: Poole/Owen marriage, Llanasa 1805
« on: Thursday 20 June 13 18:46 BST (UK)  »
Wilcoxon,

This is interesting.  Thank you for sharing.  Where does it say her name was Dorothy Pool?  I just see the name Morris.

Mary

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Flintshire / Re: Poole/Owen marriage, Llanasa 1805
« on: Thursday 20 June 13 05:17 BST (UK)  »
Hanul,

Hello!  I some how missed your post and am just seeing this.  I too have a biography for Christopher Roberts written by his daughter Hannah.  Since this thread deals with the pooles and roberts while they are in wales I will pm you so as not to confuse anyone with information on the two brothers once they came to America.

Mary

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Flintshire / Re: Poole/Owen marriage, Llanasa 1805
« on: Saturday 11 August 12 04:25 BST (UK)  »
Hello Again!  I wish I did have an update, but I had a baby of my own and so that has taken up all of my genealogy time thus far...I need to get researching this Poole family again :)

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Flintshire / Re: Poole/Owen marriage, Llanasa 1805
« on: Wednesday 18 August 10 05:09 BST (UK)  »
Hi Diana!
It was wonderful to see your post and to meet another relative of Peter Roberts!  Just 2 weeks ago I met a man whos relative is Peter also.  Luckily he only lives 20 minutes from me so we got together and shared some wonderful information.  I would love to include you in our discussions.  I am a great-great granddaughter to Christopher Roberts.  I am trying to figure out his family and have made some good finds so far.  I would love to eventually put a book together about John & Anne Poole Roberts and their children if I can find enough information.  Would love to chat more with you. I will send you a private message with my e-mail address.  Let me know if you get it.  Wonderful to meet you!
Mary :)

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Flintshire / Re: Poole/Owen marriage, Llanasa 1805
« on: Thursday 21 August 08 21:43 BST (UK)  »
Hello fellow Poole researchers!

I have some wonderful news to share with all of you!  This past week I went to the geneology library and I made some great discoveries!  I found Peter Poole's birth record along with most of his siblings and the names of his parents.  The information is as follows:

John Pool (of Whitford parish) married Elizabeth Roberts (of Dyserth parish)
5 Aug 1781 @ Dyserth ..... these are Peter Poole's parents

children I have found so far:

John Pool, born: 9 May 1782 @ Dyserth/died: 12 May 1782 @ Dyserth
Peter Pool, born: 20 Nov 1783 @ Dyserth/baptized: 23 Nov 1783 @ Dyserth
Sarah Pool, born: 23 Oct 1786 @ Dyserth/baptized: 29 Oct 1786 @ Dyserth
John Pool, born: 4 Nov 1790 @ Dyserth/baptized: 7 Nov 1790 @ Dyserth/buried: 5 May 1833 @ Newmarket
Robert Pool, born: 13 Nov 1794 @ Dyserth/baptized 15 Nov 1794 @ Dyserth/died: 19 Jan 1798 @ Gwaenysgor
Joshua Pool, baptized: 29 Oct 1797 @ Gwaenysgor
Jane Pool, baptized: 2 Jun 1803

The family is listed as living at Trecastell, Dyserth parish.  The father John Pool's occupation when Peter was born was listed as a farmer, however, when the other's were born he was listed as a miner.  John Pool, the son of John and Elizabeth was also listed as a miner when he died in 1833.  I have some more information on Sarah Pool's husband and her children as well as Joshua Pool's wife and his children if any of you want that also.

MaryJC
 

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Flintshire / Re: Poole/Owen marriage, Llanasa 1805
« on: Wednesday 13 August 08 03:25 BST (UK)  »
llessur,

In the 1851 census it lists living in the parish of Whitford, township of Uwch Glan:
Living at the "Golch"
John Pool, age 42, miner, born at Newmarket
Charlotte Pool, age 41, born at Whitford
Joseph Pool, age 16, miner, born at Whitford
Elizabeth Pool, age 12, general servant, born at Whitford
Jane Pool, age 18, general servant, born at Whitford
Easter Pool, age 8, born at Whitford
Sarah Pool, age 5, born at Whitford

It looks like the baby Mary Ann born in 1849 died.  I looked in the 1861 Wales and England census and could not find John or Ellen.  I think I did find John's daughter Sarah in the 1861 census.
Living at Durham, Coxhoe is a Sarah Poole, servant, age 15, born in Wales, Holywell (I am not certain but I think Whitford is somehow associated with Holywell).  As far as Peter Poole is concerned.  The one who is married to Hester (Esther) Owens is living at Newmarket, Graig on "the mountain" in the 1841 census.  He is listed as a lead miner and is 57 years old. His wife is also 57 years old.  He is living in the same location in 1851 and is said to be 69 years old along with his wife and he is a lead ore miner.  I am unable to track him down in any later census records so my guess is that before 1861 both he and Hester died.  Also, on his marriage record mentioned in earlier posts, he is listed as a bachelor from Gwaenyspar.  This is all that I really know about him.  I hope this information in helpful.  How is it that you are related to John Poole?  Does your line come from Charlotte or Ellen?  I would love to know any further information you have about John Poole and his descendants.

Sincerely,
Mary     


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Flintshire / Re: Poole/Owen marriage, Llanasa 1805
« on: Monday 11 August 08 23:15 BST (UK)  »
llessur,

I was so glad to get your reply!  How interesting!  My best guess is that your John Poole is the one that I have found in the 1841 census.  The parish he is living in is Whitford, the hundred is Coleshill, and the township is Uwch Glanisa or Glan Isa (I couldn't quite tell).  On the 1841 census it says that John is a miner and that John, Charlotte, and their 3 children were all born in the county (Flintshire).  Again it lists his age as 30 in 1841 (they often rounded in the 41 census I have discovered).  I did find some marriage information for John and Charlotte.  They were married June 16, 1832 I think in Newmarket but I can't remember and forgot to write it down.  John it said was born in Newmarket and Charlotte was born in Whitford  (this would explain why he lived in Whitford at the 1841 census).  I did find more children of theirs also.  They are as follows:

Jane, born 24 Sept 1832 @ Whitford
Joseph, born 11 Oct 1834 @ Llanasa OR Intogmn
Elizabeth, born 17 Sept 1838 @ Whitford
Easter, christened 4 Dec 1842 @ Whitford
Sarah, christened 5 Apr 1846 @ Whitford
Mary Ann, born OR christened 4 Sept 1849 @ Whitford

Do you know if any of these children are listed as your John Poole's children?

The other John Poole that I know of is a John Poole of Gwaenyspar who married Elizabeth.  The only thing that I know about this couple is that they had a son named Joshua, baptized 29 Oct 1797, and a daughter named Jane, baptized 2 Jun 1803.  I am sure this couple had more children either before Joshua or after Jane but I have not been able to find them.  I think that this John is a brother to Peter Poole (mentioned in the past posts) because he is also from Gwaenyspar.  My best guess is that my Anne Poole and your John Poole are either John and Elizabeth's children or Peter and Hester's.  I have a hunch that your John and my Anne are siblings, if not then first cousins.  Anne Poole married John Roberts 15 Dec 1827 at Newmarket.  One of their sons Christopher Roberts is my 2x great-grandfather.  Since his mother died when he was very young he and the brothers were sent to live with Peter Poole and Hester.  Christopher is listed as living with them during the 1851 census along with 2 of his brothers.  The problem is that they are listed as nephews to Peter Poole.  I don't know if they are really nephews (which means that John  & Elizabeth could be their grandparents) or if they are really grandchildren.  Christopher immigrated to America when he was in his early 20s and from all accounts that I know of he does not say who his grandparents are on either side of his family line.  So, this is my dilemma, to find Anne's birth record and to find out who her parents really are.  One other side note:  there is a Sarah Jones (formerly Poole) and a Robert Roberts who witnessed the marriage of Anne Poole to John Roberts.  The witnesses to Peter Poole and Hester Owens marriage were listed as Robert Roberts and Sarah Poole (not yet married).  I think that Sarah is a sister to Peter Poole and John Poole and an aunt to Anne.  As far as the Robert Roberts is concerned I am not sure what to make of that! 

Sincerely,
Mary
 

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