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Roscommon / Re: Ann Morris
« on: Friday 08 October 10 11:10 BST (UK)  »
Hello there - I'm the 'lady' of the article - Thomas and Maria Hampstead were my Grt Grandparents - ( there is a mistake I think in the article).iam their eldest Grandchild.  My Grandmother was Mary Ann Hampstead.b. 1889.  She had brothers Thomas, William, George, (was killed aged 16 by loco train - mean to visit his grave soon as there maybe problems re local council) Joseph and also a sister Gladys. I believe Thomas and Maria had a first son also William who died. Wondering if you are the Grandson of Uncle Joe and Aunt Polly?  Or are you descended from William - have yet to track him down believe he lived in Surrey?? Can't give you my personal email here - think I have to send 3 emails even though I have sent more on other Roots Chats.
Regards Patricia

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Europe / Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« on: Tuesday 23 March 10 11:26 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Beth - Thank you. Yes have read link - not sure that my family were naturalized but will try to find out. Have feeling they were not. Trizzie

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Europe / Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« on: Tuesday 23 March 10 11:22 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Gill - Yes - Found them 8 Bridgegate on 1871 census a few years ago now.  Just been looking for the emigration record a second cousin sent me - unable to find it - think it was wrong anyway but she also sent me a copy of the birth cert of the Wolpert's first child George Thomas my grt Uncle. Hadn't noticed before (and had it a few years) he was born in Bridgegate July 1871 but at number 17!!!! Not number 8! Maybe that was where friends were who helped with birth etc because it's the actual place of birth recorded not the address where will live. 
Last week I met  someone who has researched Bridgegate - amongst other places in Rotherham including High Street - he's a retired history teacher.  His work is published. He told me where no 8 had been and of course it set me on the Wolpert trail again! He knew that the Wolperts Pork Butchers had been at No 8.. I can follow them from marriage 1870 (but nothing before) right up to their deaths. My dad lived close by same street etc until they died but spoke very little about them. - He did once say to me that not all German people are bad!  :)  I went to the Rotherham archives for more info last week but they didn't appear to have any copies of the booklet containing Bridgegate. Booklets are about £6. Actually they were not very helpful at all in there! :-\  Anyway I will email him this evening (two dogs needing walkies and shopping to be done) and ask if he can tell me who it was living in no 17 in July 1871 also if I can get copies of booklets. without going back to the library! Trizzie   

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Europe / Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« on: Tuesday 23 March 10 09:31 GMT (UK)  »
Freudian slip in my last post ???? Should of course read 'Didn't win the last war'!!!! ;) Trizzie

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Europe / Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« on: Tuesday 23 March 10 09:25 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Gill
I've always assumed that my Grt Grandparents were in Bradford up to their marriage 1870 then came to Rotherham.  Never occurred to me that they or at least Joseph could have been here earlier.  Marriage cert gives addresses in Bradford for both of them! Becomes more complicated each day.  Have a second cousin am in touch with who may know more but up to 18 months ago he didn't appear to do so. Like myself no idea how, why and from where they got here. Another second cousin thought she had found them on a passenger list (must check it again) but that was emigration not immigration and there wasn't a certainty there either.  ???There were quite a few supposedly Wolpert brothers (all Pork butchers) came over here but they went further south - whether or not they were my immediate family I haven't been able to discover. As I said I don't have a problem with Jewish but if someone has put my family on a list as being Jewish I would like to know why. Thankfully Germany did win the last war or my dad and others would probably have been carted off if lists like these were compiled. Still no response from the site owners.  :(  Trizzie

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Europe / Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« on: Monday 22 March 10 15:05 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Bethgem - Definitely my family as all children are listed including my Grandmother and the correct address albeit that Wolpert is spelled Wolport and the address given is Bare Tree Road instead of Beartree!
Joseph is Pork Butcher on marriage cert 1870 Bradford and living in Bradford how long unknown - then on the 1871 census at 8 Bridgegate Rotherham and there is one child born Rotherham.
By 1881 the family is living 96 Beartree Road Parkgate and have several more children born Parkgate. Joseph is working in the local iron works. Believe second child was born 1873ish in Parkgate so how long he remained a butcher is open to question. Parkgate is part of Rotherham so distance not problem. I may be able to find out who had the shop after Wolperts.  Gill's family either had it before or after - I think it was possibly before. My family may well have come from the same part of Germany as Gill's and known each other well.
Someone has mentioned re Jewish butchers being Pork butchers and reasons why etc but as to change of religion I know not!!  My dad and his siblings were very strict Catholics and I assumed this was because of both his parents. I believe Grt Grandparents had Catholic burials - something I need to check out.   
Someone has also mentioned that the BBC should make a programme re German Pork Butchers - I agree - make for interesting and enlightening viewing! Trizzie

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Europe / Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« on: Monday 22 March 10 11:45 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all - I checked the Yorkshire Jewry site as mentioned by rbig 10 - I found my Grt grandparents on it and all their children as of 1881. :o  I know they were married in Bradford in Stott Hill Catholic Church 1870 - I have copy of their cert. I am now quite puzzled.  I don't have a problem with Jewish but I would like to know how this site knew or did they assume that they were Jewish because of the name?  I have emailed the owners of the site but so far no response. By 1881 my Grt Grandfather was no longer a butcher. All children were brought up Cathlolic as was my father, he also had a Catholic father. I don't currently have any information re the family before their marriage.  I suppose they could have adopted the Catholic faith - maybe the answer lies in the Church at Bradford. Trizzie

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Europe / Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« on: Thursday 18 March 10 13:05 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Swiss Gill
My Grt Grandparents also lived at 8 Bridgegate Rotherham - (1871 census) !!! Wonder if your family lived there before or after mine?  Mine were married in Bradford 1870 and I know they must have moved to Parkgate around 1873 or thereabouts.  Second child born Parkgate around this time so they were not there very long. No idea when they arrived from Germany. Believe the children spoke German in the home as they were growing up - according to my dad. The actual building 8 Bridgegate along with others on that side of the street (right hand side up towards the church) was demolished in the 1920s because of road widening. Sure is a small world! Trizzie. :)

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Europe / Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« on: Wednesday 17 March 10 17:44 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Anyone and Everyone.
My Grt Grandparents were German. Grt Grandfather was Anton Joseph Wolpert and he married Christina Elizabeth Wolf in a Catholic Church in Bradford 1870.  Both came from farming families (Wuerttemberg). On marriage cert Joseph is Pork Butcher. I haven't been able to find either Joseph or wife earlier than their marriage.  By 1871 they were living in Bridgegate Rotherham and still Pork butcher.  This ended soon afterwards and they moved to Parkgate Rawmarsh where they remained for life and Joseph became an Iron worker.  I know exactly where they lived etc from then on but as to their earlier history I know nothing! I believe Joseph had several brothers and cousins who were all pork butchers. Whether Joseph and his wife Christina came over from Germany together I don't know.  My father didn't talk much about his German Grandparents even though he grew up living very close to them. He did say that they came over from Germany at the same time as Schonhuts also Pork Butchers Rawmarsh Rotherham and that they were stoned, as were Schonhuts, during the First World War (this was despite my Grt Uncle, their eldest son, being a British soldier) They also had to report to the local police each week as they were classed as aliens.
Both names Wolf and Wolpert seem at times to be Jewish but as I said earlier they were married in a Bradford Catholic Church - have copy of cert.  If anyone can throw any light on the Wolperts or Wolfs I would receive it gratefully. I don't have any photographs or anything! The book sounds interesting. Many thanks. Patricia     ::)

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